i've seen alot of pros who can play (what sounds like) a double pedal Bb on a tennor trombone. can any one hear play it. if you can, i would love to know how you do it?

I'm only a sophomore in high school and I can.
Although its not very clear, wouldn't ever use it for anything other than warming up when doing Remington exercises. Its very out of tune and a big fake tone--that's the only way I know how (and with the trigger)

But I just worked my way down from a pedal Bb and made sure my tone was consistent and strong before going to the next note. (which in my case made it very easy to get the other notes after you have the pedal Bb very strong--that is one at a time Bb, A, etc...) Now thats how I was able to do it, great note to go down to when warming down too.

I play double pedal Bb in second position. I don't know why, but that's where it seems to pop out the best. It's not really a note on the instrument...at least that's what I have come to believe.

It's kind of like playing F,E,Eb,D,Db,C, and B) below the staff WITHOUT the F attachment engaged. It doesn't sound too great and it's not very practical, but it's possible<---good flexibility work-out...makes F attachment work better!!!

You're just creating incidental pitches between the 2nd partial (low Bb,A,Ab,G,Gb,F,E) and the fundamental (Pedal Bb,A,Ab,G,Gb,F,E).

The fundamental is technically the lowest note on any given length of tubing. Anthing else is just produced with sheer will and very relaxed chops.

-Raul

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In fact I used to start on pedal Bb and do a chromatic remington exercise down to Pedal E all in first position.

"In fact I used to start on pedal Bb and do a chromatic remington exercise down to Pedal E all in first position. "

Lip flex exercises, awesome. That one is still part of my daily warm up.

And you are correct. The single pedal Bb is the lowest note that exists in first position on a Bb trombone. It's the fundamental, nothing exists below it. You can lip it down, that's how you can get down to the "double pedal", although the only way to play a real double pedal Bb is with a first AND second trigger.

That is a great air and lip flexibility exercise though. Star on low Bb and go chromatically down as far as you can go, through the trigger F range, through single pedals, trigger pedals, and then through lipped down double pedals and double trigger pedals. It takes a hell of a lot of lip and air control to get a sound out down there, but it does wonders for the rest of your range.

And it works as an amazing warm down as well. That's my daily warm down.

i was just wondering how to do a fake double pedal Bb. i already can play to the extreme low range of the tennor (doun to a really low c), using real notes. but i didn't know wat position to try a fake double Bb in. i'll gice trigger second a try.

ACTUALLY...I use regular second position...WITHOUT the F attachment (trigger). Sorry for not clarifying.

I play it in first, no trigger. That's basically what it is, a lipped down single pedal all the way to a double pedal. I do a lot of lip flexibility work down there, so I keep the positions straight with the true note, but realistically, since you are just lipping a note down, you can play it in any position.

Yes...this is true. the wonderful world of low brass....endless highs and endless lows.

2x pedals are kind of easy on a big bore bone with a big moutpiece
I cant play them very well on my tenor or my bari though

I like to play rather low notes on my horn. And then when I got a trombone for jazz band I found it rather easy to play that low (no lower, but I was able to hit a double pedal Bb). I think what enabled this to happen for me was that I could get more of my face in the mouthpiece (like the whole thing! a t-bone mouthpiece is HUGE!!! compared to a horn).

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The double pedal Bb I'm thinking of is the one six ledger lines below the bass cleff.

I don't want to be rude, but I'm wondering if some of you actually know what a double pedal really is... Cause it doesn't sounds like it....

I'm out right now to watch Germany and Spain in the Euro finals, but I'll be back later to explain exactly what they are.

Erik,

I was experimenting on my horn the other day, and when I used a larger mouthpiece (schilke 52D), I was able to get the double pedal Bb in first like you do. You see I normally (and almost exclusively) play a King 6 1/2 AL. Now while I rarely ever actually have to use the low end of my horn, I like to pretend I play a small bore, single rotor bass.

I have even experimented with pulling the F Slide out to an E. The King F attachment is setup so that you have two slides to pull. Anyway, it seems like I have to almost get the pitch down to a flat E natural to get a good solid "Easy to reach" low B.

Just some thoughts on being a bass trombone wannabe.

I actually have a video of me hitting a double pedal b flat, but with a a bass trombone.. so it sounds better cause false tones you guys are hitting sounds eek because there isn't enough resistance.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYfyAFuDsOo