I am going to buy a new miyazawa flute, and have heard about the Brögger System, although I have no idea how it is different from the normal flute system.

Can someone help? Are there any advantages/disadvantages of the Brögger System?

Also, are there any websites with any information on the Brögger System?

A Google search rapidly found this informative advertising.

But remember that it is indeed advertising. If it was that good, then all top flute makers would be listing it as an option.

Brannen rather specialises in modifications to basic design. It probably satisfies the needs of those who want their flute to have some individuality. That is part of the `human condition`. You could use stickers on your flute instead!

check out website for brannen-cooper, I have heard from some technicians that they can be hard to work on

"Brannen rather specialises in modifications to basic design. It probably satisfies the needs of those who want their flute to have some individuality. That is part of the `human condition`. You could use stickers on your flute instead!"

It is not a fasion statement and should not be compaired to putting stickers on your flute.

If you don`t know the complex of the flute, you may not understand how the Brogger system works. It is not for looks at all.

Brannen also makes modifies flutes and make key extensions. This if very helpful to people with disabilites. I would rather hate to think that anyone would think that that was some kind of fasion statement.

kara, I was sriting about individuality, not fashion.

The two are SOMETIMES linked but they are not the same. They can be complete opposites.

So nandos = Ema? aren`t I clever!

So is the system a lot different from the normal system? if there really any point of having it?

The benefits of Brogger (Summary from Brannen`s website):

Uses non-rotating shafts and full-size back connectors for all main line keys:
1) Corrects misadjustment between certain keys in the "main line," e.g., between D and E to F#, or between A to Bb.
2) Corrects binding problems between the G key and the Bb key on inline flutes.
3) Provides noticeably quieter mechanism
4) Provides reduced friction
5) Mechanism experiences less wear to moving parts.
6) Independant regulation of spring tension for each key independently of any other.
7) Increased strength of the mechanism. (eg resistance to damage in drops).

Without actually seeing it, Angelgirl, I don`t think there is much point in this, once you take away the advertising promotion hype aspect.

For a start, very, very few players have it. My guess is that it is simply not necessary.

Just a few reactions to that list....

"Uses non-rotating shafts and full-size back connectors for all main line keys:"

I presume that this means connects such as we are used to between F and Bb. I have found other types of connection, if well designed to be no less reliable.

"1) Corrects misadjustment between certain keys in the "main line," e.g., between D and E to F#, or between A to Bb."

Don`t be mistaken. Adjustment here HAS to be done, either in the mechanism, or by packing washers behind the pads. So I am not sure what this is trying to say.

"2) Corrects binding problems between the G key and the Bb key on inline flutes."

If this is true, then it is good, IF you have an in-line-G flute. But presumably you would be sensible enough to buy an off-set G flute anyway.

"3) Provides noticeably quieter mechanism" Modern professional flutes are quiet anyway. Indeed, with the current use of significantly harder pads such as Straubinger, By FAR the loudest sound of the mechanics of the flute is the flutes slapping onto the tone holes.

"4) Provides reduced friction"

Friction is an insignificant issue with all well made professional flutes.

"5) Mechanism experiences less wear to moving parts."

With so little friction in well made flutes, wear is also insignificant.

"6) Independent regulation of spring tension for each key independently of any other."

All springs can have their tension adjusted by a technician - on any flute.

"7) Increased strength of the mechanism. (eg resistance to damage in drops)."

Just how many people with a valuable flute have a habit of dropping it? So I cannot see much relevance here. Besides, I consider the statement questionable anyway. And the mechanism of ANY well made flute is quite strong enough to be stable in normal use, and also a fair bit of rough handling as well.

IMHO.

The Brogger system was developed by a Flutist Johan Brögger 20 years ago. Brannen is just one maker that`s adapted the system to their flutes with their own variation. Miyazawa has recently adapted the system to their flutes along with their own unique variations.

Let the flute evolve.

Ema said: "But remember that it is indeed advertising. If it was that good, then all top flute makers would be listing it as an option."

Actually, the design is PATENTED, so all of the top flute makers do not have access to it. The Brogger Mekanik was patented, so that is why only Brannen had it on their flutes. Now the Brogger System (an advancement of the original Brogger Mekanik, with a new thumb key design) is patented, so that is why only Miyazawa can use it.

Here is some info I found on a Miyazawa flyer:

"Featuring an innovative pinless mechanism,enhanced ergonomic design and precise thumb key mechanism, The Brogger System will help elevate your performance. Other benefits include:
-The capability to perfectly adjust and balance the spring tension of each individual key, resulting in a more even, effortless feel for the flutist.
-Sleek one-piece rod and kicker construction. This simplified solution provides more structural integrity for a stronger, more stable and precise mechanism.
-Reduced friction and less wear between moving parts.
-Faster action and incredibly smooth mechanical function allowing the performer to have a virtuosic advantage and complete confidence in their flute."