Comparison between Pearl Flutes....

    
Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    22:24 on Monday, December 24, 2007          

TexasFlute
(6 points)
Posted by TexasFlute

Hi; I've just recently come to these forums when I started on my hunt for a new Flute, and happened to stumbe across it while I was trying to find some reviews for Pearl Flutes.


I've managed to narrow it down between a PF-795RBE Elegante Series and a PF-765RBE-CODA Quantz Coda Series.


Any input comparing the two would be much appreciated!


-TexasFlute


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    00:39 on Tuesday, December 25, 2007          

Account Closed
(3248 points)
Posted by Account Closed

No there is not much differnce between the two, they both suck. lol!! JK!!

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In all seriousness, we do have some people that play on Pearls that may know. I am not to familiar with Pearl models. I am no help because I would tell you to get a Powell.

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I am so sorry for writing that, it was really rude even if I was only joking. I really didn't mean it at all. I am just lacking a lot of sleep and talking on the phone and writing on the forum at the same time. Not really thinking.


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    11:11 on Tuesday, December 25, 2007          

JButky
(657 points)
Posted by JButky

The 795 Elegante and is available with special options in the coda variety. They are the same flute, but the coda version includes a Solid 10K lip plate, C# trill key, and D# roller. Other than that, both are semi handmade. They are made in Taiwan and the Japanese managers there do the hand finishing for these instruments.

The headjoint is the Forza cut which is not quite the hand cut Forte from Japan but better than the stock headjoint on the Quantz series. The keywork on the Elegante is upgraded from the quantz series. Elegante is one step away from the the pro handmade instruments from Japan.

It's a great flute for the price.

Joe B


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    11:23 on Tuesday, December 25, 2007          

TexasFlute
(6 points)
Posted by TexasFlute

Thanks a ton Joe!

And it's ok Kara, I actually thought what you said was Humourous, not rude


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    10:08 on Thursday, December 27, 2007          

atoriphile
(254 points)
Posted by atoriphile

Joe, I think you might have misread the post. They are not asking the difference between the Elegante and the Elegante CODA, they are asking the difference between the Elegante (PF-795) and the Quantz CODA (PF-765).

I haven't had the opportunity to play the Elegante, but I know that one big difference is the price!

I own a 765 Quantz CODA and can highly recommend it as a step-up flute.


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    18:08 on Thursday, December 27, 2007          

Account Closed
(3248 points)
Posted by Account Closed

Suzie, the Pearl company really should hire you! Great post!

I bought a 665 as a backup flute just to play around with a couple of years ago and I did not like it much at all. I agree the headjoint on those models are terrible! Now the key action and scale was nice, but it was jut thin sounding to me. I just could never get used or comfortable with the key lay out on the Pearls because of my short fingers and small hands. I have only tried their top of the line handmade silver and gold one besides the 665, so the Pearl flutes I am not educated in as far as models go. They are a bit confusing to me with the many names I suppose. So if anyone needs to know about Pearl models I know who to refer them to.

Suzie, were you able to go to Phil's shop? I have always wanted to meet him in person. He is one of the coolest people I know. I was teasing him the last time I spoke with him on the phone about him not playing the flute. He asked me where I heard that and I told him from Suzie. He remembered you. I am going to buy my next piccolo through him. I get most of my flute stuff through him anyway.


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    07:21 on Friday, December 28, 2007          

JButky
(657 points)
Posted by JButky

Sorry, I didn't see the 6. I thought you were simply comparing an elegante to its coda version.

Let me correct some of Suzie's post because it is based on some old information that is no longer current.

The issue with the headjoints is something I am working on. It is not the cut that is bad but other reasons which I can't go into here. This is on the 765 and below models. It is a standard cut, nothing fancy. There is a second cut available which someone probably didn't tell you. They stopped shipping it to America because people didn't like it. That's probably why you saw 2 different headjoint cuts. Not inconsistentcy, just 2 different cuts!

These lip plates do not come engraved and never did. If there was a bad one coming off after engraving, then that was something of consequence with the engraver I suspect. since it needed to be engraved by an outside source.

There are also a couple of varieties of headjoints still currently available. These are available as parts as original equipment for the flutes they were shipped with. There are a couple different models and it depends on your model and serial #.

The other error is that Dolce and Elegante do NOT come with a Forte Headjoint. They come with a Forza headjoint. The Forte headjoints are hand made and hand cut by 1 person and are only on the pro handmade instruments from Japan. A Forte Headjoint will NOT fit on dolce or elegante without resizing the tenon quite a lot. Meaning you can't even begin to get it in the barrel as shipped.

Dolce and Elegante Flutes are no longer made in Japan. They are semi Handmade...Finished by the Japanese Managers at the Taiwan Factory. This has brought the price down as well. A regular non coda dolce model carries an Internet MAP price of only $1495. That's a lot of flute, semi handmade for the money. An Elegante CODA model internet MAP is $2599. That's the range in pricing of semi handmade Pearl Flutes. 4 models total, 2 of them in CODA configurations. They come with a Forza (not Forte) headjoint, wood case and cover, the upgraded keywork and aresemi handmade.

So please remember that whatever you may have known about pearl flutes is changing...and for the better. Next year is our 40th anniversary year and there will be some special models available for that purpose.

And if you ever want to provide input on product, you can always send that to me. I am the one responsible for product input.

Joe B
Pearl Flutes


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    10:35 on Friday, December 28, 2007          

JButky
(657 points)
Posted by JButky

My question to you, Joe, is why would they put two different headjoint cuts (well, lip plate/embouchure cuts) on the same exact model of headjoint?


Well the only reason I can think of is that they used to be made in Japan and that factory uses a pro flute approach. That being that you have different headjoints and cuts to tailor what you want for your flute. After moving them to taiwan production that was no longer possible since there is no one to handcut the headjoints there.

There are a few cuts that Pearl makes. The more square shaped Forte headjoint is one for the more powerful responsive type of playing. The other is the more oval "french" style (Japan version is the Vivo cut).

Dolce and Elegante have the Forza version and the Largo version. The Largo is practically non existent although it is available by special order for those who want to put it on these models. In effect they are still trying to mirror the Japanese versions for the Dolce and Elegante models.


Hope that answers some of the mysterious questions..

Joe B



Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    10:47 on Friday, December 28, 2007          

PhillipMcC
(10 points)
Posted by PhillipMcC

These are the two models of flute that I have been using! I don't think they suck. In my opinion, these are some of the best instruments on the market.

They don't "suck".

I guess I never updated everyone but I have gotten really good on the flute. I started playing a couple months ago and I have progressed incredibly fast. This might be in part due to the quality of the two flutes that I got.

Hope you all are doing well. I've been away for a few days.


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    12:52 on Friday, December 28, 2007          

Account Closed
(3248 points)
Posted by Account Closed

No Phil, they don't suck, that was a joke, but you do! Now run along and go play some where else before you get kicked off again.


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    13:05 on Friday, December 28, 2007          

PhillipMcC
(10 points)
Posted by PhillipMcC

This forum is no place for attacking other members. Please keep your loserly comments about the flute and flute products.

Like jewels!


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    13:10 on Friday, December 28, 2007          

Account Closed
(3248 points)
Posted by Account Closed

Yep.. that is right. Go ahead and try making personal attacks again yourself. The gemstone thing is rather old and is pointless. It doesn't bother me one bit, go ahead and make fun of them all you want as I know you are only trying to stir up trouble once again, so I don't take it personally. Your goal and games don't work on me.


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    13:18 on Friday, December 28, 2007          

PhillipMcC
(10 points)
Posted by PhillipMcC

It's amusing that you have tried over and over to attack me and then paint a picture of me attacking you and stirring up trouble.

I am technically an extremely talented beginning flutist and I come here to learn about the flute and its parts.

I wasn't making fun of the jewels, I was suggesting a topic to stop harping on me being a bad guy. They are very fun and somewhat fantastic. If I had one I would shine a bright light on it during my recitals and create a pink floyd-style light show for my fans.

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That is, a LASER light show.


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    13:20 on Friday, December 28, 2007          

Account Closed
(3248 points)
Posted by Account Closed

lol! Thanks Suzie


Re: Comparison between Pearl Flutes....    13:44 on Friday, December 28, 2007          

Account Closed
(3248 points)
Posted by Account Closed

Suzie, I will have to catch you up more later with the whole Phil situation, but off the board. There is a very long drama that goes with this. Now if you trust me, I will just say one thing, do not listen to anything he has to say, he is a troll on the forum trying to stir up trouble every where that he goes. The long time members know this completely and will agree with me. You will be unable to read a lot of his previous trouble making and insulting posts because the mod has deleted most of them. Don't feed into his games.


   








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