Ostinato

    
Ostinato    16:37 on Saturday, January 5, 2008          

_TonyT-PiccoloBO
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Could someone PLEASE tell me who this is by I cant seem to find it

the song is OSTINATO just like the title:

http://www.miyazawa.com/library/sandra_moore_wacha/index.htm


Re: Ostinato    17:45 on Saturday, January 5, 2008          

Account Closed
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Posted by Account Closed

John Rutter wrote it and it can be found in Rutter suite antique.


Re: Ostinato    17:53 on Saturday, January 5, 2008          

jose_luis
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Posted by jose_luis

The word comes from Italian:

ostinato adj obstinate (persistent)

This is partial quote from Britannica, will give you an idea:

...a roughness of harmony coupled with a rapid melody; obstinacy is evoked by the contrapuntal combination of highly independent (obstinate) melodies. Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach (1714–88) and the Mannheim school were exponents of the doctrine.


Re: Ostinato    17:55 on Saturday, January 5, 2008          

jose_luis
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Posted by jose_luis

Maybe this is not what you were asking. Sorry, it's too late here ..


Re: Ostinato    18:49 on Saturday, January 5, 2008          

_TonyT-PiccoloBO
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Thank you, do you know where i could get this piece?


Re: Ostinato    23:14 on Saturday, January 5, 2008          

Scotch
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Posted by Scotch

This is partial quote from Britannica, will give you an idea:

...a roughness of harmony coupled with a rapid melody; obstinacy is evoked by the contrapuntal combination of highly independent (obstinate) melodies. Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach (1714–88) and the Mannheim school were exponents of the doctrine.

That's a bizarre quote--or at the very least, a misleading one. An ostinato is simply a continually repeating passage, such as a ground bass, above (or more rarely below) which non-repeating passages are played. Ostinatos in jazz and rock are typically called riffs. Ostinato has nothing especially to do with "roughness" or "rapid"-ity. It is traditionally a contrapuntal procedure, but it isn't associated with melodies that are any more independent than those in other contrapuntal forms, such as a fugue, for example, and the term obstinate has nothing inherently to do with independence. Moreover, it's a technique, not a "doctrine", and it isn't especially associated with the Mannheim school.

Here is the introduction to the Grove Ostinato entry:

"(It.: ‘obstinate’).

"A term used to refer to the repetition of a musical pattern many times in succession while other musical elements are generally changing. A simple and easily remembered method of construction, ostinato is extremely widespread in oral musical traditions. It has also been used in Western art music, one of the earliest surviving examples being the 13th-century canon Sumer is icumen in. Ostinato enjoyed a Golden Age during the Baroque period (see Chaconne; Passacaglia; Folia; Ruggiero; and Borrowing, §8) and, after a decline during the Classical and Romantic eras, it reappeared in other guises in the 20th century (see also Ground and Variations)."


Re: Ostinato    23:20 on Saturday, January 5, 2008          

Scotch
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Posted by Scotch

Thank you, do you know where i could get this piece?

If your local music store doesn't carry it and won't order it for you, you can get it from amazon.com or sheetmusicplus.com. Please try your music store first.


Re: Ostinato    04:53 on Sunday, January 6, 2008          

jose_luis
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Posted by jose_luis

Thanks Scotch for your clarification. It is welcome.

My quote wass partial because the full article requires subscribing to Britannica and was the best I could find.

Sorry it is misleading. Luckily it is not what TonyT-PiccoloBOY was asking. I was too sleepy and read his post too fast.


Re: Ostinato    16:37 on Wednesday, January 9, 2008          

Scotch
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Posted by Scotch

Since the piece in question is titled Ostinato, presumably it does involve an ostinato in some way or other. If TonyT-PiccoloBOY intends to perform it convincingly, therefore, it wouldn't be a bad idea for him to come to know something about the technique.

It is a bad idea in general, though, to try come to grips with anything at all technical merely by searching the Internet, especially in a random manner. Pretty much the only really worthwhile Internet sources require university affiliation. If you don't have university affiliation, you're much better off visiting an actual physical library. It's also a bad idea to expound on any subject using newly acquired and formerly foreign information; students of music history or counterpoint should be familiar with the term ostinato.


Re: Ostinato    17:20 on Wednesday, January 9, 2008          

_TonyT-PiccoloBO
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o yes i do plan to preform it. It is WAY easier than it sounds, I sight read it with no problem. but it is still a fun song and im sure the crowd will like it. i will probably use it as and opener. thank you for the information on it!


Re: Ostinato    18:11 on Wednesday, January 9, 2008          

jose_luis
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Posted by jose_luis

Yes, you are right. My apologies again. The site is too much addictive for me.

I wish I had access to the Grove Dict, but don't. It is not something we find in public libraries here, almost nowhere in Spain, I would say.

But just today I saw one at my sing professor (he comes from UK). Gave me some envy feelings


   




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