What does "bis" mean?

    
What does "bis" mean?    18:39 on Friday, August 22, 2008          

pennsylvania_flu
tist

My teacher is looking for a replacement first flute part to the Kuhlau Op. 57 duets. (A student took it and never brought it back - go figure!) And when I look up Opus 57 it is a solo, not a duet. His duet book has the title "Kuhlau Three Duos - Opus 57 BIS."

I see that the musical term "bis" means "twice." Do you suppose that this was originally a solo piece and reworked into a duet?


Re: What does bis mean?    19:13 on Friday, August 22, 2008          

JOhnlovemusic
(1279 points)
Posted by JOhnlovemusic

Perhaps he is misguided and really wants the 3 Duets, Op 10.

http://everynote.com/index.php?s=s&ser=kuhlau+duets

$3


Re: What does bis mean?    19:28 on Friday, August 22, 2008          

pennsylvania_flu
tist

No, he has this book, Opus 10. Actually we just played it last week, so I know that for sure.

The book he needs actually says it's Opus 57 on the cover of the 2nd flute part.


Re: What does bis mean?    15:44 on Wednesday, August 27, 2008          

jose_luis
(2369 points)
Posted by jose_luis

In Spanish we use "bis" to show the number is repeated for some reason


Re: What does bis mean?    12:16 on Thursday, August 28, 2008          

Bilbo
(1340 points)
Posted by Bilbo

http://img.kb.dk/ma/dankam/kuhl_op057b.pdf

http://img.kb.dk/ma/dankam/kuhl_op057a.pdf



http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=3557349&cart=342891561925023512


It is possible that they were reworked into Duets but since there are several sets of three Duets that Kuhlau wrote and it is also equally possible that you teacher got the Opus number incorrect.

Perhaps you could have a look at the PDFs above to see if they have some relation to the 2nd fl. part.


The word "bis" is also used above a certain measure in one of the Anderson Op. 60 exercises:

http://img.kb.dk/ma/jo_and/JAop60-1.pdf

see page 5, line 9.

I always took it to mean that you repeated it until you got a good workout or that you repeated it until you were able to play the measure correctly. Later, the same notes come back again and bis isn't above them.



Re: What does bis mean?    14:34 on Thursday, August 28, 2008          

pinkalo
(38 points)
Posted by pinkalo

I have a feeling that bis just means "again"


Re: What does bis mean?    18:09 on Thursday, August 28, 2008          

Flutz_Putz
(13 points)
Posted by Flutz_Putz

As José Luis says, in Spanish we use bis to express that something follows something else, but it is not possible for some reason to use the next logical number or whatever in the sequence. I.e., if a house is built between the 10 and the 11, we would number it 10 bis. It could also be used to name something different but no so much as to be entitled a totally different number, something like D&D 3.5, or Firefox 2.3.5. So maybe the piece is a second version of the opus. It literally means, as Pinkalo said, "again" or "the second".

Putz.-


Re: What does bis mean?    19:03 on Thursday, August 28, 2008          

pennsylvania_flu
tist

I saw the cover of his duets and it definitely is Opus 57 bis. I'm thinking it has to be that he reworked the Grand Solo to become duets.


Re: What does bis mean?    14:00 on Friday, August 29, 2008          

Bilbo
(1340 points)
Posted by Bilbo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Kuhlau
Raised German,
moved to Denmark in 1810.


Re: What does bis mean?    18:06 on Friday, August 29, 2008          

travel2165
(260 points)
Posted by travel2165

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bis

Bis may refer to:

* In Latin, it means "twice" or "a second time". This is the origin of most of the following uses. This, in turn, may be derived from Etruscan.
* Bis, a musical term and a little-used Interlingua word meaning "encore", "again", or "twice" (see Musical terminology#B).
* Bis-, a prefix meaning "two" in some contexts of chemical nomenclature
* bis, a suffix meaning "second version" (revision) of a standard (like the "V.32 bis" modem standard)


Re: What does bis mean?    19:05 on Sunday, September 7, 2008          

shmuelyosef
(48 points)
Posted by shmuelyosef

Twice or again ratifies well with the saxophone 'bis' key, which is the little aux Bb key in the left hand...


Re: What does bis mean?    18:03 on Friday, September 12, 2008          

Concert_Flute
(25 points)
Posted by Concert_Flute

Yes, but then there's the side key that will produce Bb when fingering an A.
Will the real saxophone bis key please stand up !
CF


Re: What does bis mean?    18:27 on Monday, September 15, 2008          

Concert_Flute
(25 points)
Posted by Concert_Flute

Micron,

Regarding the definition of "bis," most posts alluded to a second version Bb key or 2 Bb keys.
My statement was consistent with this, and I must say, was actually offerred for the sole purpose
of generating humor and offering another way of looking at it, since no one was really clear about
it.

As a flute player, I could understand the left hand key as being viewed as the secondary key. But
how would a sax player, informally self taught and without knowledge of sax design history, know
the difference ? That was what I was driving at.

CF


Re: What does bis mean?    23:57 on Monday, September 15, 2008          

Concert_Flute
(25 points)
Posted by Concert_Flute

Micron,

I agree, as can be verified by many legitimate sources.
i.e. Anthony Baines "Woodwind Instruments and their history" (1957)
to cite one such example.

CF


   




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