Split E ..so much important?
Split E ..so much important?
04:16 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
05:15 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
06:01 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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Pyrioni (437 points)
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Micron wrote this before:
"What is Split E?
The two keys ('keys' meaning key cups with pads) operated by the g finger (left hand ring finger) are normally an integral unit.
With split E, these keys are made independent, but mechanically linked in such a way that the G finger still closes both of them. What is different is that when the E key is pressed, it is mechanically linked to close the lower G key (leaving the upper G key still lifted)
The third octave notes on a flute are all harmonics or lower notes, and they require a single hole to be opened (like a sax octave key) to make the notes sound more easily and better. For third octave E, the upper G key should be lifted for a vent. On a standard flute this is impossible without also lifting the lower G key. The split E mechanism overcomes this situation, enabling a single vent hole.
Note that third octave F# and G# are also difficult notes to produce, relative to their neighbours. This is because they too have two vent holes. However the problems are not as severe as for E.
What does it achieve?
Third octave E becomes significantly easier to play (requiring less air speed). It does not so readily drop to A. It is a lot easier to slur to and from both the higher and lower A. E behaves like its neighbouring notes.
Down side:
1. Some more adjustment time for technicians. However it is not too bad, as the lower G key does not need to close FIRMLY when operated by the E key. For a flute with regulating screws, adjustment is actually simplified, because adjustment between the two G keys can be done with a screw.
2. Some people suggest greater unreliability because of the extra mechanism. I do not regard this as significant. However the combination of in-line G keys and split E can be mechanically disastrous, with the Bb key inclined to jam if the G key is firmly closed. Perhaps this is why in America, where there has been a mysterious and irrational love affair with in-line G keys, split E has been less common. If is pretty standard in many countries.
3. Extra weight. Barely significant.
4. One fingering for third octave G to A trill is lost. Others work OK for the experienced player with good breath support. (For a doubler, this is not a common trill)
5. One (2?) somewhat obscure tremolo fingerings are lost. (I've never encountered them)
"Split E" is regarded as a bit of a misnomer, because mechanically speaking, the G key (not E) has been split into two parts. " <Added>I think the best is the E-Facilitator!
Maybe technician can help you add a E-Facilitator?
Or, you can add one yourself, many people in China add it themselves as DIY (cut from coke can and then stick with contact cement)
http://www.flutefriends.com/bbs3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2964&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=diy&start=15
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
06:43 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
09:03 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
10:50 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
15:47 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
16:22 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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Pyface (157 points)
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I had to learn on a flute with no split E, and I really struggled with it! Then, i found that if I lent my finger towards me, and onto the trill key there, it sounded fine, but slightly airy. I love having a split E on my newer flute, it's just so much easier, and when playing something hard, you can concentrate on notes, dynamics and rhythms, not hitting an E3!
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
17:30 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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DaveandKateplus1 4
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Posted by DaveandKateplus14
I have never been a fan the split E. The extra bar gets in my way and it slows down the mechanism and makes me feel as though there is something wrong with the flute when ever I try playing on one. I learned without having one for over 20 years and guess I am just used to that note. I treat it just like any other problematic note on the flute and never had a problem with it. So, the split E hinders my playing more that helping in my own experience. I don't need nor want one. More and more flutes are being offered with a split E that I think the younger generation is just use to it now and rely more on it that I as it wasn't as common of a feature on flutes when I was growing up. The new generation of flutists haver got it really nice now with all the new flutes and designs that are coming out. So many wonderful flutes, gizmos and gadgets to choose from!
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Pyrioni, I just saw your link that you posted. What a great idea! Thanks for sharing that.
You can buy a G donut to put in yourself from JL smith that is only a couple of dollars also as an option. Just because I am crafty and a dork that way, I think that I am going to try making one myself out of silver and try it out on a flute.
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I wish I could read Chinese :( I want to know what the captions says. Maybe I can use and on line translator,
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
19:25 on Saturday, February 27, 2010
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
01:00 on Sunday, February 28, 2010
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Pyrioni (437 points)
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"But if you have trouble with high E, you're going to have trouble with high F# too, and there's no common mechanism to fix that one."
On my off days, I use RH middle finger for F#. <Added>I mean high F# - many conservatory students told me they were taught to use middle finger for high F# nowadays in conservatory, including my friend who studies with Michel Debost in Oberlin college. :) <Added>use middle finger also lower the pitch down.
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
02:20 on Sunday, February 28, 2010
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Pyrioni (437 points)
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Kate, you are welcome. There is nothing special they had said about it, but they said they find that Brannen's G insert design is the best design than Donut or other makers' design,
http://www.brannenflutes.com/PICTURES/insert_G.jpg
Because Brannen's G insert helped high E and at the same time also minimized the stuffiness and intonation problem on A-key and other notes. It's a perfect balance, bravo to Brannen design they said.
They said they experimented with other shapes without good results:
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/pyrioni15/method-1.jpg (copy Powell's E-facilitator)
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/pyrioni15/method-2.jpg
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/pyrioni15/method-3.jpg
Finally, they copied Brannen Brothers' moon-shape, and it gave perfect balance on tone/intonation/high E:
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/pyrioni15/method-4-5.jpg
First, you cut a round circle shape out of an aluminum sheet or Pepsi Coke Can(they find it the best). Then, use tape to draw the shape you want to cut:
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/pyrioni15/method-4-1.jpg
Cutting the moon shape is the hardest thing to do, they said:
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/pyrioni15/method-4-2.jpg
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/pyrioni15/method-4-3.jpg
Insert paper towel into the flute tube, then glue the moon shape piece in the key-hole, then wait until the glue is 80% dried, clean all the glue oozed before completely dried:
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/pyrioni15/method-4-4.jpg
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
05:00 on Sunday, February 28, 2010
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
05:13 on Sunday, February 28, 2010
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Re: Split E ..so much important?
05:16 on Sunday, February 28, 2010
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