Low 2`s

    
Low 2`s    16:27 on Sunday, June 22, 2008          

jsobo119
(3 points)
Posted by jsobo119

urg... learning the G major scale... With the A major scale I could just grab first 3 fingers or 4 fingers down at once in the right place... or put them down 1,2,3,4

I cannot for the life of me grab 123 fingers down in the G major scale... low 2 position.. .(not sure that is the right way to describe it)... but the notes would be... B,C,D on the A string.

oh well... I'll keep working on it... but if anybody has any pointers I would appreciate it...

(background... started playing about 6 weeks ago... doing suzuki with my 6 year old... working on Etude... and accents on Adantino and Allegreto)


Re: Low 2`s    20:54 on Sunday, June 22, 2008          

arabians207
(259 points)
Posted by arabians207

I don't really get what your saying.. but it might help to put tape where the notes go if you don't already have that.. like this:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/215APHWHHQL._AA160_.jpg

I'd try to get a few lessons if you can also to help you if you don't already have a teacher.

A low two would be something like second finger C on the A string. C# on the other hand, would be a high two. A low c (or anything "low" using the 2nd finger) should be easier than a high note because your 2nd finger should be placed right next to your first finger, given that your first finger is not on a Ab (G string), Bb (A string) or F natural that isn't a problem.

In the A scale, IMO, its harder because your hand is in a slightly abnormal position because of the C# on G string (high three) although that makes putting 4th finger D (although you probably use open D) down easy because its right next to C#.

Do you know the difference between hole and half steps on violin?? Half steps should always be pretty easy (except not necessarily when there is a string crossing) because you put the two fingers right up close to each other. An example of a half step would be from C# to D (best on the A string) or from B to C on the A string. A whole step would be C to D on the A string (the C would be a low two) or A to B on the G string. Just remember its kind of different with the E string because F natural is back in "half position" so from F to G would be a whole step.

Hope that helped some.. Also remember that with the G scale it would be a high two in the D string (F#) and a low 2 on the A string (c) so your finger has to move from being right next to first finger to being next to third finger which is D. (That is in a two octave scale though. If you just doing one octave, you just need to worry about the high 2 on the D string for F#, then G right next to that, a half step away.

Really its just all about half and wholes steps in scales.

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I just wanted to add, that on the finger tapes, the tapes go where the first finger would go (not any flats or F natural on E), then where a high two would be, then a normal third finger. You can check the third finger note (granted its not a sharp) with the open string below it :) So for example on the D string going up by the tapes would be first finger E, 2nd finger F# (high) and third finger G (check with open D for tuning if you want.. VERY useful skill especially when you get into different position stuff..)

If you want something else explained better or have other questions (hopefully that answered your question :)) feel free to ask!!

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sorry I was going to add this before but I got distracted.

What your refering to with the low 2 is NOT a position, its just a low two. An example of second position would be when you have first finger on say C on the A string. In third position, your first finger would be where D is on the A string. Then E would be second finger instead of fourth or open, third finger would be F or F# and fourth finger would be G. You probably wont need to worry about these for a while!! Just when you need to go high than fourth finger B on the E string.


Re: Low 2`s    22:30 on Sunday, June 22, 2008          

jsobo119
(3 points)
Posted by jsobo119

I know what I need to do... and I know where my finger should go... getting it to do so is the problem... I played a bunch of








going up is easier going down is hard... unless I play the notes with independent fingers... where I only have one finger down at a time...

If I put 3 fingers down at once is where I struggle... I think it is just a matter of training my fingers to go where they are suppose to.

I do have a teacher but tomorrow is my normal lesson day and I will not be having a lesson as I am out of town. I was hoping to have my first song in G at least recognizable by the time I see her.

I'll keep at it...




Re: Low 2`s    12:32 on Monday, June 23, 2008          

arabians207
(259 points)
Posted by arabians207

Definitely learn to keep all your fingers down and not picking them up. If, for example, you are playing third finger G, you should have first second and third down.

The only time you would put a third or second finger down, without first is with vibrato, but don't worry about that until a few years

I didn't have private lessons (outside of school) until after my 5th year of playing. I actually didn't have too many bad habits, but I had gotten into the habit of having my fingers come up and later that makes it harder when learning harder music that skips around a lot.

Make sure your hand position is correct on holding the violin. If its not, it could make your life a lot harder. your hand should look like this:
http://www.twofold.com.au/images/1609a.jpg

Make sure that your palm is NOT flat against the neck.. that would make it very very hard to play!


Re: Low 2`s    18:17 on Wednesday, June 25, 2008          

blackhellebore89
(156 points)

Hi! I understand what your saying! i was a suzuki student! by low two you mean C on the A string right? i think your main problem is that you are independently fingering. if you can keep your first finger down then jam your second in beside it and it should be about C, if you can keep your first finger down the whole time then generally all of your other fingers will stay down. and remember taht your first finger will stay in line with your thumb, so make sure that it is in the right place.
good luck!


   




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