why does the music world have to be so bitchy?!!! it really gets to me that there are people around who isnit on taking cheap shots at each other even when htey have not met. i have accepted the this is just the way things are from the moment i stepped foot into my current conservatoire but that is part of the pro industry and this forum should be relaxed and aimed at spreading the wealth of experience and knowledge that we have all collectively accumulated, not as a bitching ground. the individuals who indulge in this behaviour ruin this place for everyone, i just dont see the need for this.

Graham, for some reason many musicians feel the need to snipe at one another, especially flute players, I experienced it alot in music school and high school, but in the professional world those who snipe and act nasty don't get very far, especially if touring is involved

As an amateur having received only private teaching, it's new and sad for me to read what Patrick says.

But it may well one of the reasons for the rather frequent quarreling here. Another clear reason is some immature reactions from young people but also from other not so young.

But if this is so, what sense it makes to migrate to a new site? People will carry their personalities with them and restart all over. At a site with strong moderation (or should I call it censorship?) they may be banned soon -until they reappear under a new aka.

Dennis will certainly have very heavy job in maintaining that kind of order in his new site.

I hope he has enough time and guts to support this additional work. I said before that I do support Dennis idea of founding a new site, specially because he wants to make it a learning environment.

But I do not agree to massively leaving this site because some think it is unrecoverable.

Should it not be better to try adjusting to each other, avoid harsh replies, disregard offenses, cultivate the co-existence in its widest acceptance?

We must do it in real world, like it or not, everyday and we cannot migrate to Mars or to an isolated island (well, we could, but there would be no public, not even friends or families or angry neighbors to listen to our music -let alone discuss about anything!)

Here we can report offensive or inconvenient posts to the moderator. Why nobody (or very few) do this?

What about implementing a set or rules as netiquette, the way Sir Galdway's Forum has? To register there, one must accept these rules and becomes responsible of abiding to them. Not here, unfortunately

Just my own ideas storming...

jose_luis, as usual you have some very valid points that I do agree with. Sometimes there is other issues and more to the story then just not getting along with another flutist. For instance, say you know another board member in real life and that person starts to stalk you and try to cause all sorts of trouble and also brings your friends into the equation. It is quite different then just some flutists arguing over the net. This person knows where you live and doesn't back down. It can get to be a bad situation. I only share this point of view because this has happened to someone I know and deeply care about.

Yes, I have noticed this happens, or has happened also in this site.

Some of my arguments may be, as you say, valid -but only in a general way.

When there are personal issues and/or personal knowledge involved, the safest solution could be to quit.

But those rare situations are beyond the questioning of the functioning and (eventual lack of) moderation of this Forum (i.e or any other Forum chat or virtual sharing of a "living" space).

Apart from those cases, I really believe that we exercise in human relationships and knowledge of the way other people think and act, in trying to (virtually speaking) survive and still enjoy the dwelling in these heterogeneous environments. And we normally need to be fit and ready in these matters when confronting in real life.

But this is my personal position only; I understand and respect that others might think and act in a completely different way.

Nicely said

we can still, and will, disagree on things, after all, music is a subjective art form, no one sees eye to eye all the time, but we can agree to disagree, no insults need to be part of that, ever

If I have time I'll play all of the Major Scales and the cromatic scale(sp?). I do that so i don't forget them and so I can understand the different time signatures better.