New flute problems

    
New flute problems    16:53 on Monday, October 1, 2007          

lucyls
(6 points)
Posted by lucyls

I am returning to the flute as an adult after many years away from it, when I was playing the oboe. I used to be quite proficient at the flute and had no trouble getting any of the "normal" notes. However, I have just purchased a new, "no name," open-holed flute, with an off-set G key and a low B-flat. I cannot seem to get some of the right hand notes to come out. I assumed that it was a key or pad problem, but it seems to be no help to press down manually any keys that should normally be automatically closed farther up the bore. The C, B, B-flat, and A have a very nice tone in either the first or second octave. The G is mediocre in 1st or second, but the G# is pretty good. I can't get any of the regular notes using the right hand keys, but, interestingly enough, I can get a harmonic of A in the second octave (with all the right and left keys down). I have just moved to a new neighborhood, so I don't yet know where any flute repair techs are. Can anyone tell me what things I can check to see if this is a repair issue or just me, forgetting how to play the notes?
Thank you very much for any suggestions.


Re: New flute problems    17:50 on Monday, October 1, 2007          

Account Closed
(3248 points)
Posted by Account Closed

I would suggest tossing the no name flute and buying yourself a good reliable name brand flute. It most likely will cost more to have a no name brand flute fixed than you originally paid for it and in the long run will not be worth it.

It is called a B foot, not B flat by the way


Re: New flute problems    18:32 on Monday, October 1, 2007          

lucyls
(6 points)
Posted by lucyls

I do appreciate the advice, but this is what I can afford right now and I'd like to do what I can with it, so any insight on its specific problems would be helpful. Thanks.


Re: New flute problems    18:44 on Monday, October 1, 2007          

Account Closed
(3248 points)
Posted by Account Closed

Unfortunately, without seeing the flute it is going to be very hard to evaluate what the problems are. I just bought a like new used student Armstrong flute for only $30, so there are still affordable good name brand flutes out there without having to buy a no name.


Re: New flute problems    20:02 on Monday, October 1, 2007          

Flutist06
(1545 points)
Posted by Flutist06

I agree with Kara. There are almost certainly leaks in the right hand (no name flutes are notoriously poorly made, and that includes setup/padding). However, having it fixed by a competent tech could easily cost $150+, which is probably more than you paid for the flute to begin with. As Kara noted, it's very possible to get a name brand flute used for about the same price as a no-name. Aside from the obvious padding/mechanical issues, that flute is likely made from pot metal, which is much softer than the normal alloys, so it's more easily damaged and harder to repair (you'll be lucky to find a tech willing to work on it, as they pose a financial liability...Fix one thing, and two more issues pop up). Most of these flutes have terrible scales (meaning they can't play even remotely in-tune with themselves, even if they're in good working order), and a highly unreliable mechanism. If budget is an issue, it makes far more financial sense to invest in a name brand flute (which will be much more reliable due to higher quality construction and materials), than to try to get by with the one you have.

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Incidentally, my guess at what's wrong would be (at least) a leak in the lower G key. That would explain why you can't get anything below G, and the tone on G is starting to suffer. Without seeing the flute, I could easily be way off, and/or there may be some deeper problem causing the same thing, but that would be my first guess.


Re: New flute problems    21:06 on Monday, October 1, 2007          

lucyls
(6 points)
Posted by lucyls

Thanks to you both. It is a silver flute and does seem to have a nice tone and decent pitch. Yes, it would be very nice to get another one, but that is not happening now, so I'll see if I can find someone who can look at it. At least I know, from what you said, that it is not just my embouchure that is the problem.


Re: New flute problems    13:27 on Tuesday, October 2, 2007          

leighthesim
(471 points)
Posted by leighthesim

try looking in the phone book for music shops and theen they will be able to give you a number for a techie who may be able to identify your problem (is the name on it XE because if it is its a decent flute but one of the screwss came a bit loose on mine causeing the pad not to seal propally) but press the keys down and see if you can find leaks and then take it to the techie


Re: New flute problems    19:35 on Tuesday, October 2, 2007          

Plekto
(423 points)
Posted by Plekto

I think what the meant by pot metal was recycled alloy, which is common in exports from China. You know the crud - it looks fine but is the first thing to break in the project or repair that you are doing. I notice it most of all in automotive applications. I can't honestly count the number of nuts and bolts that I've witnessed in the last decade that snap, strip, or cross-thread made in China. I've had to resort to buying U.S. or Japan made hardware as replacements, right out of the box, for even the most innocuous things.

That's not to say that China can't make good metals.

Almost all of China's better metals and alloys go to their major construction projects and military. Everything else, which ranges from recycled steel foisted off as high grade to the metal that they use to make instruments and everything else that you might find at Wal-Mart is basically junk. Or at least stuff that wouldn't pass muster in any first world country. But it's for export and there's no legal ramifications for even the most outrageous lies, so people being people, they send us the worst junk.

I guess we do get hat we (don't) pay for.


Re: New flute problems    20:10 on Tuesday, October 2, 2007          

Patrick
(1743 points)
Posted by Patrick

why did you get a flute with a bfoot?


Re: New flute problems    18:03 on Thursday, October 4, 2007          

Account Closed
(394 points)
Posted by Account Closed

I probably just missed it, but could some of the leaks be from your fingers, since this is an open hole flute? Perhaps, a key covers (plugs), whatever you want to call them on those open holes until you get to the root of the problem. You are new coming back to the flute, and it may just be that your fingers are the leaks? It is just a suggestion.


Re: New flute problems    18:08 on Thursday, October 4, 2007          

Account Closed
(394 points)
Posted by Account Closed

When I got my first open hole they came with cork inserts on the open holes that you remove one at a time as you get used to playing, and training your fingers to cover the holes correctly. I have B-foot and a C-Foot open holed Flutes, and they sound very much alike, except the B-Foot is better, because everyone else says it's better, and it has the split-E which is better cause everyone says its better, and Gizmo which also makes it better, because everyone says it's better. I am better, because everyone says I am better....the doctors at the state hospital do not concure...hmmmm

:-P


Re: New flute problems    20:57 on Thursday, October 4, 2007          

lucyls
(6 points)
Posted by lucyls

I was off-line for a few days, so I am trying to catch up quickly on all the posts. I hope I didn't miss anything. Thanks for all the information. Let me explain the story about my getting back to the flute. I played an open-hole flute in high school and college, and it only had the C-foot, so I was sometimes frustrated by the fact that some music for flute needed the B-foot. As I mentioned, I played the oboe for about 20 years, so I am used to having my fingers cover open holes. The reason I am going back to the flute is that my work schedule is such that I don't have time both to make reeds and to practice enough to keep up a decent tone. I wanted to start with an inexpensive flute while I relearned it, knowing that I could easily upgrade. My husband got it for me on eBay, from a company that does a lot of eBay business, so I think I have some recourse if it really has a mechanical problem. The main thing I wanted to find out was whether it IS a mechanical thing, or just my embouchure. It's been so long since I played, that I couldn't remember whether those notes were supposed to be harder than the left hand notes.


Re: New flute problems    23:03 on Thursday, October 4, 2007          

Flutist06
(1545 points)
Posted by Flutist06

Well the short answer is no, those notes should not be particularly hard to produce just because they involve the right hand. It's always possible that there is some other issue that we can't diagnose through the web which is making it harder (and it would be best to consult a live teacher to rule out this possibility), but also VERY likely that you have leaks or other issues with the instrument.


Re: New flute problems    16:32 on Friday, October 5, 2007          

Plekto
(423 points)
Posted by Plekto

My guess is that one of the trill keys is slightly open or not sealed. This can cause all sorts of havoc(word for the day!) with right hand notes.


Re: New flute problems    23:57 on Friday, October 5, 2007          

hotpinkbabe1016
(26 points)
Posted by hotpinkbabe1016

I agree with them. You can get some pretty cheap name brand flutes. Go to ebay or thrift shops. My friend got a King flute from a thrift shop for like $100. and it was in goo condition all it needed was a few pads replaced


   








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