Re: B flat flutes
13:12 on Friday, January 9, 2009
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Re: B flat flutes
17:11 on Friday, January 9, 2009
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musicman_944 (257 points)
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Measure the main body section by itself. Mine C flute body section is about 14.25". I have a B foot and that section is just a little over 6.5". If your foot joint is measuring 9.25", then that is definitely longer than a standard foot.
Take a good look at the foot joints in this link:
http://flutesmith.com/flute-options/b-C-foot.html
The top foot is a C foot and the bottom is a B foot (like mine). Does yours look like one of these? You said yours has 5 keys and I'm trying to figure out if you have more keys on your foot joint than these examples. It's possible that you might have a C flute with a Bb foot. These are very rare, but they do exist.
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Re: B flat flutes
19:04 on Friday, January 9, 2009
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Re: B flat flutes
20:59 on Friday, January 9, 2009
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musicman_944 (257 points)
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Well then you definitely have an extra key. It would seem that you have a flute with a Bb foot! I'm not sure if the flute is in the key of C or not. 15" is a bit longer than most but that can vary some from manufacturer to manufacturer. For example, one manufacturer might make the body a bit longer and the head joint a bit shorter, but the total length of each is the same. In your case though, the entire flute is longer because of the extra key, but that doesn't conclusively determine that it is or is not a C flute.
The way I see it it's possible that you have a C flute with a Bb foot or you could possibly have a Bb flute with a Bb foot. Either way, it's definitely somewhat unique. If you have access to a digital tuner, play a C on the flute. If it shows that the pitch is a C, it's a C flute; if it indicates Bb, it's a Bb flute.
I'd love to see a few photos. Since you can't attach photos to the messages here, could you upload a few to http://www.yousendit.com/ ? That's a free site where you can upload files and pictures. After uploading, it will give you back a link that you can copy & paste into a message here.
For example, here's a link to a photo of my flutes:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/WnBTZEU5dENwcFdGa1E9PQ
If you have a yardstick or tape measure, I's love to see a picture with the flute assembled and layed along side the ruler. That way I can compare that with mine and possibly figure out what you have.
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Re: B flat flutes
06:29 on Saturday, January 10, 2009
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Bilbo (1340 points)
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Measuring the body joint isn't necessarily a good comparison. If you measure the body only the length may be different even in comparing the same brand. My flute teacher's older Haynes has a shorter body and a longer head joint than mine for example. The head joints may also vary in the distance from the emb. hole to the stopper crown as this doesn't necessarily have to affect the tuning.
A better way to measure a flute and to determine the acoustics may be from the inside of the stopper to a standard point such as the middle of a D# or C key, or even from the middle of the blowing holes to the foot end. The length of the tube's cavity is the determining factor as to the pitch of the instrument. Another means: If you align two flutes that are assembled and placed side by side, you can measure from the emb. hole to the key positions while aligning the lowest keys. A flute pitched in Bb measured in this way may be a good ~2.75 inches longer overall than a C flute.~just an off-handed guess. <Added>that distance is assuming that both flutes have the same type of foot joint.
C flutes have been made with D, C#, C, B and Bb foot joints.
I believe that there has been a used Haynes C Concert Flute for sale at Flute World with a Bb Foot for ages.
http://www.fluteworld.com/index.php?action=prod&wart=49182
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Re: B flat flutes
09:38 on Saturday, January 10, 2009
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Re: B flat flutes
15:43 on Saturday, January 10, 2009
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AndyMan (13 points)
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HI Micron,
I just measured from the center of the thumb hole to the center of what I believe (being sax player) is the C hole (second inline key) on the foot section of the flute. The measurement is 12.75" from point to point. Based on all the feedback and info to date... sounds like a B Flat flute. I could try playing a "C' scale with my B flat Tenor sax and then try playing the same scale with the flute to see if the notes are the same. (I think I have a flute fingering chart some where so I can do the correct fingering for "C' on the flute).
Thanks for your suggestion in trying to solve this riddle.
I'm going into a recording session now, but later will take the digital photos for a look see.
B/rgds
AM <Added>Here are the links to two photos I uploaded to "Box.net".
Clicking on them should take you directly to the photos for download. Feel free to look and see what you think.
1- http://www.box.net/shared/6d6lfvqdk6
Full length shot of Emerson ELD Flute w/ Yard stick
2- http://www.box.net/shared/q0n6dg78yq
Shows some of the engravings on the body and Mouth piece
(Sorry for the poor quality of these shots, I can get better shot on Monday, if need be)
AM
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Re: B flat flutes
07:41 on Sunday, January 11, 2009
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Re: B flat flutes
10:31 on Sunday, January 11, 2009
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Re: B flat flutes
11:08 on Sunday, January 11, 2009
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Re: B flat flutes
13:28 on Sunday, January 11, 2009
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Re: B flat flutes
13:35 on Sunday, January 11, 2009
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Re: B flat flutes
16:02 on Sunday, January 11, 2009
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Re: B flat flutes
19:54 on Sunday, January 11, 2009
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Bilbo (1340 points)
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Well, the value of anything is "How much you can get from somebody."
Perhaps, a comparable replacement value depends upon some things. I posted a link for a company that makes one. I'd check on their price. An Emerson instrument isn't generally all that expensive of a flute but this one has a solid silver tube + a Bb Foot. I'd look for Emerson Alto flute prices and it may be around that amount if they made one of these Flute d'Amore still. You could also ask the company: http://www.emersonflutes.com/content/products.php
Bottom line, It's rarity doesn't necessarily increase the value if you can't sell it. For example, old upright pianos aren't usually worth much, nor are 100 year old wooden flutes. Another issue to consider is the cost of repair/pad replacement when it would be needed and Micron or Joe B here can give you a better idea on that for sure. <Added>I just found the Emerson Altos at Flute World online. The Silver tube versions are about 2,500- 3,000 USD. Your's might be around that price new IF they made them today.
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Re: B flat flutes
20:42 on Sunday, January 11, 2009
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