Mystery composer??

    
Mystery composer??    18:03 on Saturday, March 14, 2009          

mark68
(68 points)
Posted by mark68

I v'e been trying to find a piece of music, and am having no luck, so hoping someone here might be able to help, especially the more experienced flutist's

The composer is Romano Piacentino, and the piece is, Flute Concerto in G:ii andante.

I've searched the internet,music shops, even youtube, but nothing, not even anything about the composers life, apart from the James Galway cd and the Jean-Pierre Rampal cd from where i heard it.
I guess it must be a not very well known piece or composer,,but it's got to be somewhere i guess.

The only playable bit i could find is here, track number 13, Andante, on disc 1, but the site is in german. http://www.amazon.de/Artists-Century-James-Galway/dp/samples/B00002DGBP/ref=dp_tracks_all_2/277-9015782-0209331#disc_2

If anyone can help, or tell me where i can buy the sheet music for it , i'll be much obliged.

Mark.


Re: Mystery composer??    06:54 on Sunday, March 15, 2009          

Bilbo
(1340 points)
Posted by Bilbo

Hi Mark,

In looking for some information on this composer there is virtually nothing.
Partly because the citations on the internet can't agree on his name.
Piacentino, Romano Antonio
I've seen where they place Romano as his last name , they omit Romano altogether or also place Romano as his first or middle name. The same holds true for the Antonio part of his name.

There is only one piece that I can find that is ever cited as his composition. I would say that this is rare that this is the case for such a beautiful piece of music that only one piece is mentioned from this composer and the only part of this piece readily available is the second mvt. Also there is no information about his life including his dates.

From what I can find on the internet, this piece was recorded by Rampal before Galway put this second mvt. onto his "Meditations" CD.

See track 3 of this CD by Rampal:

http://www.amazon.ca/Art-Jean-Pierre-Rampal-Antonio-Vivaldi/dp/B0000027W3

So from the Joyner lib in East Carolina, they have a version that is for Flute and Keyboard (A piano reduction by Dieter Manschwetus:

Konzert für Flöte und Streichorchester, G-Dur : Tonleiter-Konzert / Antonio Piacentino ; bearbeitet und herausgegeben von Dieter Manschwetus ; Klavierauszug.

From this, I would assume that finding the sheet music (BTW: It's not at Fluteworld) may involve a trip to the library of some major university. If I were actually trying to do some research on this composer or find his music, I'd probably start with the Groves Dict.

Rampal did do a lot of cross-instrument recordings where he'd take something from the violin's, oboe's etc repertoire to expand his flute music. If this piece was ever published then I'd probably check the catalog of International Music because he was releasing many pieces through that company where he'd do a bit if editing. Galway has done some of this but not nearly to the same extent that JPR did.



Re: Mystery composer??    17:24 on Tuesday, March 17, 2009          

JOhnlovemusic
(1279 points)
Posted by JOhnlovemusic

I got a response from Sir Galways USA booking team. They are trying to help and have forwarded our(your) quest to his Switzerland office. If, when, they respond to I will let you know.


Re: Mystery composer??    00:08 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009          

mark68
(68 points)
Posted by mark68

Hi.

Thanks everyone.

Yes, it seems a bit strange, that no-one can agree on his name, i can only guess that must be because he's a little known Italian composer, so little known in fact that no one can agree on it..

We got two universities here,and i found the web page for their library's, but they won't allow you to search without entering a password,,it all-so says that to use the library you got to be a student,and regester with your student number, I'm about 20 years too old for that i think. , a bit of a shame as they have got music departments. Might be worth e-mailing them direct,you never know..

I had a look on the international music, nothing there,had a look too on the Groves Dictonary, but looks like you have too pay quite a bit of money to join?? Seen the copy on the Joyner liberary, so its got be be out there somewhere.. will keep searching!!

I just ordered the Rampal Cd, Italian Flute Concertos, so will be able to listen to the 3 parts of the concerto, wonder too if they will have written anything in the cd cover/booklet.

johnlovemusic, thanks for doing that, that will be interesting to see what happens, if they do come back with something that would be brilliant.

In the meanwhile will keep searching..




Re: Mystery composer??    07:30 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009          

Bilbo
(1340 points)
Posted by Bilbo

What I would presume is that this piece was something that Rampal did for his recording and that Sir James liked as well. It was probably published at one time several years ago and that the only way that you're going to find a copy (without considerable luck) is to find Rampal's source.

Not to criticize Sir James, but he's not usually in the business of giving out information on his arrangements and what was on his recordings that he made decades ago because either he doesn't actually have the arrangements or he doesn't want to be bothered. Booking agents aren't in the business of this end of the performer.

I will send Sir James a message asking about this piece but I would not expect an answer.


Re: Mystery composer??    08:04 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009          

Bilbo
(1340 points)
Posted by Bilbo

yes, there is an inter-library loan service that one can use. There are actually two sectors of this in libraries in the US. Public libraries will have this between others in their respective states or university libraries will have this facility throughout the nation. (I once borrowed a book from a univ. in Fla. . That being said, one has to have "library access" to do research. This would involve attending a university or being an alumni. Some HS students can get library cards but most don't. Some univ. Libraries can be much better than Public libraries. Most Public Libraries are filled with less-specific books or different subject matter than the better Univ. libraries. FOr example, if you want to know how to repair a Tecumseh 5 Hp lawnmower engine or find a picture book on Ireland....> Pub. Lib. and If you want to study the Melismatic chants of early Italian Sacred Music...then a Univ. Lib. would be the place.
As for the "Groves"...I forget that it's available online.....for a price. Our Univ. Lib. has two editions of it and it's easier to get it there for free but I don't always have the time to drag myself down there.

~bilbo
N.E. Ohio


Re: Mystery composer??    09:56 on Wednesday, March 18, 2009          

mark68
(68 points)
Posted by mark68

Hi.

I'm in England, In the city of Bristol.

I guess the universities over here must work different, but we have got a major library here so it might be worth popping down there to see,,worth a try i guess..

On Sir James arrangements,, oh yes, i understand what your saying, i think we talked about the same when i asked a few months ago about his version of the Canon.

It seems i have a habit of picking near impossible pieces to like..

Many thanks for all your help, and if Sir James does reply, well what could be better..

Mark


Re: Mystery composer??    05:16 on Friday, March 20, 2009          

Bilbo
(1340 points)
Posted by Bilbo

Well,
I have a response from Sir James.
This music is in the library of Claudio Scimone, the founder of the Orchestra "I Solisti Veneti". I'd bet that this is the group recorded on both the Galway Meditations CD as well as Rampal's recording of the piece.

I don't know your reasons for this interest but it was suggested that it may be possible for you to get a copy from Claudio Scimone (b. Dec. 23, 1923) if it were extremely important for a performance or as a research project in early music but I would not ask for such a favor for the sake of satisfying a curiosity.


Re: Mystery composer??    23:44 on Friday, March 20, 2009          

mark68
(68 points)
Posted by mark68

Hi Bilbo.

Wow..thank you for taking the time to do that,and to sir james for replying.

Yes your right, on both cd's its the " I Solisti Veneti" orchestra.

It's not for a performance or anything, its just one of those pieces that comes along every now and again and kind of "grabs" you, (if thats the right way to explain it??), if it would have been available to buy, i would have bought it, i would have loved to have had a go at playing it, but never mind, will listen to the experts playing it instead.
Its a shame that pieces of music like this are not released in their sheet music form,, but i guess thats how it goes.

Thanks again.


   




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