open hole flutes

    
open hole flutes    19:18 on Sunday, September 21, 2003          
(jay)
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What`s up with open hole flutes?
Do they sound better? What`s your thoughts on it?


Re: open hole flutes    20:59 on Sunday, September 21, 2003          
(picclojay)
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I don`t have one yet, but I believe you have more control over your pitch with them. You can "bend" or "shade" a note.


Re: open hole flutes    23:41 on Sunday, September 21, 2003          
(Rae-Chan)
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They sound better. they play better. They enable you to play quarter steps, and slide from one note to another...

open-holed flutes are god. yes. they are. get one now.


Re: open hole flutes    20:59 on Thursday, October 2, 2003          
(Laura)
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a flute has enogh holes in it all ready!


Re: open hole flutes    15:01 on Wednesday, October 8, 2003          
(Flutist)
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Ive been playing a closed hole flute for 5 years and now my sister wants to play too. We decided that she can have my flute and i can get a new one. Ive been wanting an open holed flute for a while and the other flutists in my high school band say i should get one. Does anyone have any advice on what kind of open hloed flute i should get?


Re: open hole flutes    19:25 on Thursday, October 9, 2003          
(Caitlin)
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I have a Jupiter open hole flute. Open hole flutes allow you to progress further. You can only get so good on a closed hole one. My teacher said I was ready for an open one about 7 months after I started playing. I`ve been playing for three years now, so I would say it is well worth it to spend more money on a quality flute.


Re: open hole flutes    17:31 on Sunday, October 12, 2003          
(Amy)
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1. Intonation: A flute goes quite sharp when it is played loudly. This can be compensated for (for SOME notes) by partly closing a tone hole. This is possible only with open holes. Alternatively, the pitch can be humoured with special fingerings when playing very softly. However an accomplished player has sufficient versatility in embouchure and air pressure to correct the intonation by other means. Certain alternative fingerings are available to humour pitch with close-hole too.

2. Intonation: Theoretically the notes which involve open holes are slightly better vented and are theoretically slightly sharper, so the flute maker allows for this in tone hole position or size. However many players on open-hole flutes plug the holes, theoretically putting the flute out of tune. In reality, the venting of holes on a flute is so good anyway, that this intonation effect is probably so small as to be negligible or non-existent.

3. Comfort: Many players plug the holes. One type of plug projects and is uncomfortable, another tends to push through the hole, and both are capable of leaking.

4. Hand position: Open hole encourages an UN-ergonomic position for wrist in order to reliably cover the G key. Some players want to believe so much that the open-hole system is better, that they convince themselves that the distorted wrist position is indeed more natural, but this fails the common sense test.

5. Hand position: Some teachers claim that they cannot get pupils` fingers into `good` positions without the aid of open holes. In answer to that I`d say that I have taught over 400 beginners on closed-hole flutes, and this has not been a problem.

6. This so-called `good` finger position has the balls of the fingers (under the nails) centred on the key cups. If the fingers are not perfectly centred on the keys - much frowned upon! - what is the big deal, really? Bagpipers and recorder players have no problems with fingers projecting well over the holes. And there are few keys on a saxophone where the fingers are central.

7. Acoustic theory: "There should be as little interruption to the bore as possible." Open hole introduces a further step, up from the bore to the pad, and then up again to the finger.
8. Acoustic theory: The bore should be of a hard material. The washers and screws of a closed-hole pad are far harder than the `squishiness` of a chimney of air leading up to a soft finger.

9. Servicing: If a pad needs to be taken out for shimming, it is far more likely to be distorted or damaged during removal if it is on an open-hole key, where there is a difficult-to-remove pad retaining grommet.

10. Perhaps most important of all - Leaks! My finger skin is hard, but not very hard. Air leaks badly along my finger print grooves on open-holed keys. Try this test: Cork the lower end of the body of an open-hole flute. Close the keys with the fingers and `squirt` a mouthful of air gently into the other end. An open-hole flute will leak unless the fingers are pressed quite hard - harder than a player should need to press. If the fingers are wetted before the test, then air can be heard bubbling out of the fingerprint grooves in the skin. This is not an issue of not covering the holes properly. It is a result of low finger pressure on a large area of skin, which simply is not flat, and therefore does not seal well.
What on earth is the use of adjusting a flute to be leak-proof for good response, and then introducing finger leaks by having open holes!

11. Finger Contortions. For people with a short right pinkie relative to the D finger, contortions are needed to play low C or low B without introducing a leak under at lest one of the three right hand open-holes. Again the flute is not ergonomic.

12. Tone: It is claimed that the extra venting offered by open-holes improves the tone. Pause to think about this. Of the twelve notes in an octave, there are only five where open holes contribute to venting. Have you ever heard of a player saying how their Bb, A, F#, F, & E have a better tone than the other notes? An emphatic NO! Therefore the notion of better tone is bunkum!

13. With open-holes, a wider range of unusual effects are available, such as warbling notes, 1/4 tones, slides from one note to another, two notes sounding at once, etc. Perhaps only 2% of players ever use these, especially after the experimental novelty wears off. There are plenty novelty effects available on a closed-hole flute for the one-time experimenters to play with.

14. Open-hole flutes usually cost slightly more. So it is my guess that when buying a flute, the typical player, encouraged by a teacher, assumes that because the flute costs more it must be better. They can stretch their budget that little extra so open hole is what they buy. Or it could be simply that the cheapest student flutes are not offered in open-hole versions, so it is assumed that open-hole is superior.

So in spite of having played an open-hole professional flute for a decade, I changed back to the more desirable closed-hole flute to avoid all these problems. Choosing open holes seems to be largely a `fashion`, or prestige-driven thing, nurtured by teachers and marketers who have not really thought much about it, and supported by manufacturers who oblige the market.

The inclination towards open holes is much stronger in some countries than others; America seems to have rather unquestioningly adopted the idea from the French. My own country seems recently to be following suit. There are many superb players in the world who do indeed play on closed-hole flutes.

There is a common notion that manufacturers do not offer closed holes in their top models. This is far from the truth. The truth is that many market outlets have never offered the closed-hole options that the manufacturers offer. Perhaps it is simply so they can carry a smaller range of models in stock.

Quoted from http://saxontheweb.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=7054


Re: open hole flutes    10:52 on Thursday, October 23, 2003          
(fluteperson)
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I have an open hole flute and took out the plugs a few months ago. I love the sound! I know some may say it`s all in my head or that I`m playing with more confidence now and THAT`S what is making the difference. Perhaps that is right, however, I can feel the vibrations on my fingertips and I feel VERY much a part of the flute. I wish I had done it sooner but I was afraid I would not be able master it.


Re: open hole flutes    19:10 on Sunday, December 14, 2003          
(Idongesit)
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A while back, student flute was in the repair shop so we went scouting out for open hole flutes. I hadn`t been flute shopping for a while and I had forgot that flutes, especially open hole ones, can be quite expensive $$. I would like to get a good deal on one, but I still want it to be of good quality. What company would you advise??


Re: open hole flutes    22:48 on Sunday, December 14, 2003          
(LeeLee)
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From what I heard, with an open key flute you get a better seal on the key, hence a better sound. I don`t play one yet, so I`m not really sure. I sound pretty good with the flute I have, though. I just need an open key to sound better, but I`m not going to get one without my flute teacher`s consent.
And apparently there`s a high b (above the high c) where you have to cover half the hole on one of the keys. Someone said it works, but nobody has been able to prove it.


Re: open hole flutes    21:49 on Thursday, December 18, 2003          
(Jewelie)
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My teacher said Pearl and Yamaha are good. Try fluteworld.com
You get a better price there


to Lee Lee    11:08 on Friday, December 19, 2003          
(Jenny)
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Hi Lee Lee, I wouldn`t say that the open holes are what will make you sound better per se. It could just be that you want to invest in an instrument with higher quality materials. My boyfriend`s brother plays a nickle-plated instrument with closed holes and he sounds good on that- he`s incredible when he`s on my solid silver open-holed flute. Is it the silver or the open-holes, though? Hard to say.

Get the open holes if you have a use for them. I love traditional Irish and Japanese music and there are a lot of pitch-bends and such in both of those that make it worthwhile for me to have an open-hole instrument to emulate the pennywhistle and shakuhachi repectively.


Re: open hole flutes    06:15 on Tuesday, December 23, 2003          
(lauren)
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i think that it was the open hole flutes have better sounds/ tones inside but im not sure but that is a good question. i think that i`ll check it cause my cousin has an open hole flute and i have a closed hole flute.


Re: open hole flutes    16:14 on Tuesday, December 23, 2003          
(me)
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it gives you better grip when doing fast runs than a closed hole flute would.


Re: open hole flutes    13:59 on Saturday, January 17, 2004          
(Katrina)
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They sound so much better, whereas regular ones sound "dull."


   








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