Re: Flutist or Flautist?

    
Re: Flutist or Flautist?    07:34 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

custard
(29 points)
Posted by custard

Pyonire grand master of everything now is master of written english too, we bow to your great knowledge.


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    09:59 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

JButky
(657 points)
Posted by JButky

I still like Fluter.

Joe B


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    10:08 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

Patrick
(1743 points)
Posted by Patrick

you still like pizza


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    10:19 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

jose_luis
(2369 points)
Posted by jose_luis

Pizza is Italian, so could it belong to the realm of music?


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    11:21 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

OboeNightmare
(153 points)
Posted by OboeNightmare

InstrumentCrazy, I've always heard flautist. (Coincidentally, mostly from non-pro flute players.) I only very recently heard someone call me a "flutist". lol



Re: Flutist or Flautist?    13:16 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

JButky
(657 points)
Posted by JButky

Pizzenflauten- A Pizza loving German playing Flojte..

Did you hear the new Flute and Harp duo? It's made up of a Flatist and Sharpist?

A fluetist is the same thing as a chimney sweep.
I here there's one whose fluting is simply Flutastic!


Joe B


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    13:25 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

InstrumentCrazy
(219 points)
Posted by InstrumentCrazy

Oboenightmare: That's really interesting... I've heard both but mainly Flautist


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    16:27 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

travel2165
(260 points)
Posted by travel2165

Pyrioni wrote:

"'Flautist' is the original English word, like many English words that came from foreign language, then the Americans changed to 'flutist', who knows, maybe 100 years later the world will use 'fluter' too."

That's wrong. And I see that Pyrioni cited no source for his information.

Here's another, more verifiable piece of information:

"'Flutist' is the earlier term in the English language, dating from at least 1603 (the earliest quote cited by the Oxford English Dictionary), while 'flautist' is not recorded before 1860, when it was used by Nathaniel Hawthorne in The Marble Faun."

"The first edition of the OED lists 'fluter' as dating from circa 1400 and Fowler's Modern English Usage states that 'there seems no good reason' why 'flautist' should have prevailed over 'fluter' or 'flutist.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flautist

Note: The Oxford English Dictionary (OED)is the generally recognized source for the historical development of English words.



Re: Flutist or Flautist?    17:38 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

troll-hunter
(12 points)
Posted by troll-hunter

little freak boy know everything and nothing.
He should go back to galway forum, opps, forgot he got throw off there.


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    18:05 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

binx
(183 points)
Posted by binx

travel2165 you dare to correct the almighty PY?! Now he is going to go throw another temper fit and stomp his little boy feet!
Or worse yet, he might be up yet ANOTHER video of his grand self on youtube that we will have to endure more links too!


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    20:06 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

emy47
(140 points)
Posted by emy47

I forgot to mention earlier that i also used wikipedia for my information and checked it with The American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    20:26 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

InstrumentCrazy
(219 points)
Posted by InstrumentCrazy

Wow hang on guys!! I just asked how the majority prounces the title of a flute player. Please, I think the origin info is interesting and all, but it's no reason to start an argument over the origins. I appreciate the corrections though. But please let's try to get along! Thanks!!


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    21:34 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

Pyrioni
(437 points)
Posted by Pyrioni

<<'Flutist' is the earlier term in the English language, dating from at least 1603 (the earliest quote cited by the Oxford English Dictionary), while 'flautist' is not recorded before 1860, when it was used by Nathaniel Hawthorne in The Marble Faun.>>

Dating from 1603? In 1603 and onward to 18th century, a FLUTE means Recorder, Fife, or Transverse flute.(check out the history of flute and recorder) So by meaning of Flutist, you could also be a Recorder Player or Fife Player.

Modern flute was fully developed in continental Europe in 1847 by Theobald Boehm, first demonstrated in 1851 in London, later productions made in France by the French and Italian craftmen. So it makes sense that FLAUTIST was used after 1860 who Plays the Modern Transverse Flute.

According to Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, Flautist is the preferred term in British English, and while both terms are used in American English flutist is "by far the more common choice." in American English.


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    21:45 on Sunday, January 17, 2010          

Pyrioni
(437 points)
Posted by Pyrioni

<<The first edition of the OED lists 'fluter' as dating from circa 1400 and Fowler's Modern English Usage states that 'there seems no good reason' why 'flautist' should have prevailed over 'fluter' or 'flutist.'>>

Same situation, as the word FLUTE from 1400 to 17xx, a FLUTE means Recorder, Fife, or Transverse flute.(check out the history of flute and recorder) So by meaning of Flutist or fluter, you could also be confused as a Recorder Player or Fife Player at any given period of history.

So the word FLUTER could also mean you are a recorder player or fife player. Thank God to the wise British people, they used a new foreign word FLAUTIST to distinguish between an old flute player and new modern flute player back in 1860!


Re: Flutist or Flautist?    02:20 on Monday, January 18, 2010          

travel2165
(260 points)
Posted by travel2165

Pyrioni mistakenly understood the quoted material and then wrote the following:

"Thank God to the wise British people, they used a new foreign word FLAUTIST to distinguish between an old flute player and new modern flute player back in 1860!"

My dear kind sir, Nathaniel Hawthorne was an AMERICAN (born in Massachusetts in 1804). So it was an American who in 1860 was the first recorded writer to use the word "flautist" in English -- NOT a British person.


   








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