I need stronger spring for second trill
I need stronger spring for second trill
08:32 on Monday, February 22, 2010
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Re: I need stronger spring for second trill
12:21 on Monday, February 22, 2010
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Pyrioni (437 points)
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1) I don't think 674 has white gold spring, maybe 774 yes(?). I mean even on my Sankyo CF401 it's still steel spring, (CF401 is twice more expensive than 674), only CF501 has white gold spring(arghh...our principal flute has CF501, he laughed at me last week, he said "I have white gold spring!", but paying extra U$600 for white gold that's silly).
2) Your 674 is probably steel spring too, don't worry just bend it, it won't break, I adjust springs strength on my 211 all the time with MusicMedic's spring bending tool/rod. Never broke one spring in the past 5 years. If it IS white gold, it's more flexible/resilient than steel, won't even able to break at all.
3) adding thin copper wire wraping the spring won't work I think, it only increases friction to your spring(makes spring less flexible to do the job), also it increases the spring travelling distance(same thing as bending the spring)
4) this lesson teaches you not to modify the Almighty flute design. I think the modern flute design is already perfect. except I need an additional C# and G# trill. <Added>I Just got used to my Sankyo 401
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qa36TlCba4<Added>arrr..not quite.. too much overtones, I think I should blow a little more downward
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcrMkgzw5e8
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Re: I need stronger spring for second trill
13:45 on Monday, February 22, 2010
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Re: I need stronger spring for second trill
15:19 on Monday, February 22, 2010
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jose_luis (2369 points)
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Thank you for your answers.
The Yamaha.com (USA site) says this model has white gold springs. See: http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail.html?CNTID=2183&CTID=237900
I acknowledge my RH position is not perfect but I cannot change it easily and, most important, quick enough.
I could say that I want it all and I need it now (my apologies for the poor quoting).
If I can't fit to the instrument then the instrument will have to fit me. That's the deal.
I have changed a few things already, all resuletd in important improvements: Changed the EC cut HJ to a DA Nagahara, plugged the open holes for ever and will replace the B foot by a C foot as soon as I can find one cheap and good enough for it.
The trill issue is much better now, but I believe I still need to make the spring stronger somehow.
I will check that tool to bend it unless a simpler solution pops up here.
<Added>Is this the appropriate bending tool?
http://www.musicmedic.com/catalog/products/tool-pl103.html
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Re: I need stronger spring for second trill
19:56 on Monday, February 22, 2010
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Re: I need stronger spring for second trill
21:50 on Monday, February 22, 2010
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Pyrioni (437 points)
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Musicman talks about this tool:
http://www.musicmedic.com/catalog/products/tool-sh101.html
Wow, you even permanently sealed your open holes?
I got used to my open holes in 1 month's time, have you tried wearing rings on your RH middle finger and ring finger? I have heard some adults wear big silver rings to separate their middle and ring fingers. <Added>I think plugging the holes on open holes might flatten the intonation a little. I asked this question on flute list, Jim of Burkart-Flute replied and told me it won't. But I still noticed some flatness on tuner after I plugged the holes, around -5 cents, so I unplug them all and got used to my new hand position in 1 month's time, that month was horrible with so many leaks.
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Re: I need stronger spring for second trill
22:07 on Monday, February 22, 2010
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Re: I need stronger spring for second trill
22:35 on Monday, February 22, 2010
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Re: I need stronger spring for second trill
00:06 on Tuesday, February 23, 2010
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Re: I need stronger spring for second trill
04:27 on Tuesday, February 23, 2010
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jose_luis (2369 points)
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- Wow, you even permanently sealed your open holes?
- I got used to my open holes in 1 month's time
- have you tried wearing rings on your RH middle finger and ring finger?
- I think plugging the holes on open holes might flatten the intonation a little.
- my point is, may be adults have even much longer difficult time to adapt, but it's not impossible, we are human, man, we can adapt, may be take you much longer
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- I plugged them with nice Powell metal-top plugs. The instrument looks almost exactly as if it were closed-holes from factory. And I decide not to ever unplug it, enough experimenting with open holes.
- I could adapt to three of the open holes in a few months, but never to the RH index. I purchased this YFL674 with open holes just because I wanted to force myself in correcting the wrong RH position, but I have been unable in five years. I think it is enough time and now is time to progress with what I can actually achieve. My RH position is not so bad as to get criticized by my teacher, but she acknowledges the problem with the low D-trill interference. Most people adapt to open holes, in line G, etc. Not me.
- I do not care much about a slight flattening because of the plugs. Intonation on the flute is a big issue and must be continuously corrected and in real time by the player, no matter how perfect the instrument scale could be.
- You are right -and young enough- and I am happy that you can take advantage of this natural fact. But we have a rather huge age difference, mine is more than four times yours at present times and I am quite concious of my limitations. One of these limitations is the time I have still available to reach an acceptable level and enjoy playing the music I like. I know this is a sad statement, but nonetheless, completely true.
- Using a RH ring is an idea to try, in my case it should be rather large as my fingers are long but thin. I may try this suggestion, thank you.
- bending the (whatever material) spring looks not so difficult. But unless I use some tool like the double hook you have linked me to, for example to use my fingers to bend it as suggested, I think I would have to disassemble the flute. And just a few days after I received it from the technician, fully COAded... I do not like the idea.
<Added>Seems that " " labels are not working, sorry.
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