Sound "Airy"

    
Sound "Airy"    05:53 on Friday, August 27, 2004          
(Ben Ong)
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I play flute and it sound very airy when i play higher notes. How to solve this problem? I also dont have a good embrochure. Can anyone tell me how to get a good embrochure?


Re: Sound    06:11 on Friday, August 27, 2004          
(Meme)
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Get a teacher.
You are unlikely to achieve much via a forum because there are many possible causes, which a good teacher can identify in seonds.


Re: Sound    06:14 on Friday, August 27, 2004          
(Meme)
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Perhaps I could be more helpful....

You might find helpful info in one of the links in:
http://www.flutes.tk/

If you provide your email address, I could you send you 174 KB of email containing lessons I gave a guy (moving from sax to flute) for a year, without hearing him play. It was apparently very successful, and includes coverage of `airy` issues.


Re: Sound    18:56 on Friday, August 27, 2004          
(Ben Ong)
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my email is lionheart_3003@yahoo.com. PLz mention at the subject that it is about flute becos my mail always flooded by spam.


Re: Sound    16:40 on Saturday, August 28, 2004          
(Jakathera)
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I think the best way I`ve found is to practice with focus. I know it sounds really cliche, but there`s more to it.

Start off by playing a not you`re really comfortable with, like B flat in the staff. Really listen to the sound that`s coming out of your instrument. Then, when you`re comfortable, with the note, focus on your body (you`re still playing the same note continuously).

Ask yourself: How do my feet feel? are they comfortable? are they properly set on the floor? How`s my back feel? Is it cramped and tight? Is it straight? Do I need to shift to open up my body more? How do my arms feel? are the tense and tight? Can i loosen them up?

as you`re going through the posture and fitting, you`ll probably realize that maybe you`re tensing up trying to hit that note, or that you`re gripping the life out of your instrument. Stop playing, take a deep breath, relax, and try again. The sound will be 100X better.

The next step is to work up the scale focusing on the sound of every note you`re playing. If you go too fast, you won`t catch where you`re starting to become `airy`.

For low notes, focus your air downward, trying to hit the back of the instrument, and for higher notes, focus your air more towards the far side of the instrument. Try not to think of it as blowing across the hole. The whole point is to get the air spinning like a corkscrew, so to blow across the instrument would be a waste of air. :D

One last tip, a good exersize I was told about is to try and keep a piece of typing paper pined to the wall by blowing on it. see how long you can keep it up.

Sorry for the long post, and I hope this helps you out :D
Happy Playing,
Jak


Re: Sound    21:28 on Sunday, June 12, 2005          
(Little Cuban Girl)
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PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE lol it sounds boring but its tru -- the only way to get up dem high notes is to practice chromatics. When playin high notes tighten up ur lips til its a TINY opening n blow hard -- u practice this n ull b str8.


Re: Sound    22:13 on Sunday, June 12, 2005          
(Kara)
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Well, if you are playing on a Gemeinhardt flute then that is your problem right there!


Re: Sound (little cuban girl)    17:04 on Wednesday, June 15, 2005          
(Hannah)
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umm lets see i gree w/ the first poster get a teacher or some tone books..... but this comment is directed to little cuban girl ..... dont tighten your lips cause it does funky stuff to your tone you want to relax the lips and muscles around the lips bend your knees etc. to play higher notes (ledger lines ) change the direction of the air flow not the way youre lips are positioned a really good tone ven thing ma bober is to find the note your most comfortable with on the staff... then perfect it ... make sure it soesnt go sharp or flat and your perfectly relaxed then when you have acheived this you want to slur from that low note (mine is A flat) up an octave keeping that same sound and tone (change the direction of the air flow ) try to srpead the tone from the low note to the high note...keep doing this changing little things each time then after five or six times go down from the high note to the low note repeat... then go low (hold )slur to the high note(hold) then slur back down(hold) never seal the end note off and hold the last note for as long as you can while still getting that good tone quality. i very good way to make sure your arent sharp or flat is to use and tunerwhen doing this exercise..... a very good book to help you with this is the trevor wye tone book its red and yellow and you should be able to find it online....or at any music store.... any books actually in that line should help w/ multiple things but the best thing is to talk to a teacher and start taking lessons.... here is a link to where you can find the trevor wye tone book .....http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0853609322/qid=1118869399/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/104-7860501-5119904?v=glance&s=books


Re: Sound    18:40 on Wednesday, June 15, 2005          
(Arak)
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Little Cuban Girl:

"PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE lol it sounds boring but its tru -- the only way to get up dem high notes is to practice chromatics..."

It does no good at all doing heaps of practice if the player is practicing how to do it `wrong`. Ideally, some guidance is needed as to exactly HOW to make the change, otherwise it is very hit and miss whether there will be any success at all. It`s good that you gave a little guidance:

".... When playin high notes tighten up ur lips til its a TINY opening n blow hard ...."

True, a small hole is necessary, but how one achieves that small hole is important. Do it by pressing the lips closer together, rathre than pulling them tight against the teeth. Pulling them tight reduces the length of the air passage passing through the lips, so that the airstream leaving the lips becomes turbulent. A turbulent airstream is destructive to a good tone.

More info at:
http://www.saxontheweb.net/Resources/FluteLessons2.html

and
http://www.saxontheweb.net/Resources/FluteLessons.html



Re: Sound    19:05 on Wednesday, June 15, 2005          
(Arak)
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Jakathera, you give some good advice, but I would like to discuss further ther following:

"For low notes, focus your air downward, trying to hit the back of the instrument, and for higher notes, focus your air more towards the far side of the instrument. Try not to think of it as blowing across the hole."

1. I wonder if you could explain exactly what you men by the `back` and the `far side` of the instrument.

In my experience, and that of a lot of good players, teh airstream is directed straight ahead. Unless it hits the top of the back wall of the far wall of the embouchure hole`s chimney, it is impossible for it to make a sound, let alone a good one. This is acoustic science.

By the way, try this experiment: With lips as if playing the flute, but without a flute, blow an airstream toards the palm of your hand so you can feel the cold in the centre of your plam. Now, while you are blowing, place a finger (preferably a thickish part) across where the flute embouchure plate would rest. Note that the presence of the embouchure plate AUTOMATICALLY directs the airstream downward. That is how the player can blow straight across the top of the hole, yet the airstream is actually heading further down.

2. The whole point is to get the air spinning like a corkscrew, so to blow across the instrument would be a waste of air."

Perhpas this image in some way helps you to do things successfully, but acoustically speaking, if the air were "spinning like a corkscrew" int would be very unsuccessful at makeing a sound, let alone a decent sound.

Quite simply, it does not spin like a cork screw. It is impossible to make ANY fluid coming from any orifice, spin like a cork screw.

It should be much like the shape of the lip orifice, and remain more or less like that, with as little turbulence as possible, until it reaches the edge of the embouchure hole. Only then can much or its energy be converted into sound. This conversion takes place at the far, top edge of the embouchure hole, not at any other place.

The difference between playing high notes and low notes is teh SPEED of teh airstream.

Reference from a university specialising in the teaching of acoustic science:
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/fluteacoustics.html#airjet


Re: Sound    00:19 on Thursday, June 16, 2005          
(Piko)
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Play a low F on a flute blowing straight out and focus the air flow further out and further in. You will find a sweet spot for that note.

Focusing the air deeper into the flute can produce deeper resonant tones and focusing the air outside of the flute produces lighter brighter tones in all registers.

Some head joints take away the liberty of the direction of air flow. So mileage may vary.


Re: Sound    00:39 on Thursday, June 16, 2005          
(Piko)
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Density 21.5 is a piece that serves as an example of what great dark tone is capable on flute... also DonJon`s Offertoire and Dubussy`s Syrinx would be rather lackluster if you couldn`t manage a darker than usual tone.

(amazon musc sample links)

Density 21.5
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000002AVM001021/0/102-6816688-7970501

Syrinx
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000002AVM001013/0/102-6816688-7970501

Offertoire
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00009ZY9U001001/0/102-6816688-7970501


Re: Sound    02:22 on Thursday, June 16, 2005          
(Arak)
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Sorry, Pico, but I don`t think communicating is working here between us...

"...focus the air flow further out and further in.....

I don`t really know what you mean by `focus`, nor `further out` nor `further in`. My guess is that you are talking about altering the speed of the airstream, which alters the tone by affecting the relative volume of different overtones.

"...Focusing the air deeper into the flute.... can produce deeper resonant tones and focusing the air outside of the flute produces lighter brighter tones in all registers."

By `focusing` here, it seems that you are really talking about altering the ANGLE between the airstream and the far wall of the embouchure hole.

Sorry, I read your post and actually had no idea of what you were saying until I started making assumptions. Of course any picture of what you are saying has to be compatible with the laws of fluid (air) flow, which are well known to science.

Please correct my assumptions if they are wrong. :-)


Re: Sound    13:24 on Thursday, June 16, 2005          
(Piko)
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Yes, I meant altering the angle of the air stream. Adjusting the speed and volume of air flow only go so far. The angle is what one needs to focus to get a pure "focused" tone.

I should note... you should not turn your flute towards you or away from you to adjust your air stream. It`s all in the lips.


   




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