Big and thin tone on the trumpet

    
Big and thin tone on the trumpet    03:33 on Monday, December 28, 2009          

Veral
(16 points)
Posted by Veral

Hi. There's a time before we moved to our present residence, where I observed my two neighbors blew their trumpets. The first has a bigger tone and the other has a thinner tone.
Talking with them, I learned he is taking medication, thorazine and akineton. I didnt know why.

Lately, I read an article saying those drugs have sedative effects, etc, affecting the nervous system. Do you also think those drugs can make trumpet tone thinner affecting also the facial and lips muscles' vibrations??


Re: Big and thin tone on the trumpet    08:15 on Monday, December 28, 2009          

JOhnlovemusic
(1279 points)
Posted by JOhnlovemusic

If the medicated individual you mention is older he is probably taking the Akineton for Parkinson's or Parkinsons related type disorders and the Thorazine to supress certain side affects from the Akineton. If it's a younger person then it could be for a myriad of differnt reasons.

A larger tone vs a smaller tone can be a result of several things. The qulaity of the trumpet, the mouthpiece design, how the lips are being used ( a smile type embouchre or a purse string type embouchre), and amount of AIR being used to support the sound. Some people prefer one sound to the other and so they try to achieve that sound they prefer.

The drugs you mention above both affect the central nervous systems and the Thorazine has more of a sedative effect than the Akineton.
Do I think that either drug will make a thinner tone? NO.
Do I think either drug will affect the facial and lips muscle vibrations? YES.

I suffered a serious neck and back injury from an accident. As a result I took some very interesting and very serious drug cocktails to regenerate spine growth. After the intense therapy I was placed on drugs that were intended to help me cope with pain. Some were basic muscle relaxants, and some actualy separated the communication of the different brain hemispheres, and some included sedatives. All of these pain medications act through the central nervous system. At no time was my tone affected. As a professional I can guarantee I would have been told if they did. Now, the medcines DID affect my strength and ability to play longer and higher. Imagine taking a muscle relaxant and still expenting to play your instrument, your lip muscle relaxes just like the other muscles in your body.

The only way a sedative might affect tone is if it calms you a little too much or separates the thought process. Then you might have somone who doesn't want to try as hard to what they are supposed to do. The result should be a poor quality tone and poor technical ability, not a thinner or thicker tone.



Re: Big and thin tone on the trumpet    19:58 on Saturday, May 1, 2010          

Romanflutico
(10 points)
Posted by Romanflutico

so, if thats the case, what can you recommend to those players taking that medications in order to continue practice or play the trumpet. Maybe there are ways we can think to overcome a problem like this(assuming the person is still taking medicines).

Do you think these medicines eventhough taken in average dosage affects the nerves and muscles the whole day long?


Re: Big and thin tone on the trumpet    22:22 on Saturday, May 1, 2010          

JOhnlovemusic
(1279 points)
Posted by JOhnlovemusic

The drugs are intended to last a certain length of time. If you have Parkinsons symptoms you do want to control them. Many drugs of this type are prescribed at intervals so that you are constantly under the effect of the drug.

Again, I do not think the drug will affect the tone. There are different methods and scholls of thought out there that produce different tone qualities. For trumpets I find the Balanced Embouchure method and Callets methods produce a thinner tone than other methods.

I don't know what the best trumpet method is,but you should find a trumpet teacher who uses the concept of air speed to contorl pitch and not lip tension. That will get you a deeper more robust tone.


Re: Big and thin tone on the trumpet    05:42 on Sunday, May 2, 2010          

Romanflutico
(10 points)
Posted by Romanflutico

Ok I got your points. I
So the tone is not affected by the drugs, then, I'm not sure if he only need to try harder to get higher notes because the lips vibrations are affected by the drugs. How if his not a beginner but not yet trained and still needs to reach not so high notes. Do you think a player with this problem needs to quit from playing trumpet??


Re: Big and thin tone on the trumpet    08:26 on Sunday, May 2, 2010          

JOhnlovemusic
(1279 points)
Posted by JOhnlovemusic

No one should quit from playing unless the playing is affecting their health.
Instruments have been used for entertainment and hobbies for many many years. Music has always been associated with therapy,especially in hard economic times like we are having now. Historically linear instrument sales have grown when the economy gets bad.

If someone is not playing as good as they can it might be because they don't want to, or don't have the time to practice. It could also be that they are told by others they are good enough. We don't know by just playing with someone what thier motives for playing are, but everyone should be encouarged to keep playing.

As a teacher I sometimes approach people with issues like you are describing and say to them something like, "if you ever want to talk to me about increasing your range let me know. I think I could work out a couple of exercises that would help you increase your range." or "If you ever want to get a deepert one out of that instrument let me know." These are things I can say because I can teach and understand the pedagogy that will work to improve these things.

If you are not a teacher but you want to improve your section you have to see if they want to get better or not, you have to see if they even know they have weak technique or weak tone. So you need to talk with them. I would start by just asking how long they have played when they started, when they picked it up again, etc. Then a weak later ask them if they ever thought about increaing their range or making a darker tone. They might say this is the tone they want to play with. thay might say they can't afford lessons.

The options now are, do they know they can just take a couple lessons, or coachings from a good professional. They don't have to take lessons every week til the end of time. Another options is a master class. Many schools will bring in a brass coach, or a woodwind coach to help their sections play better. Many musican locals have grant monies from the state or federal government meant to be used for educational purposes. If you are in a community band I would suggest the conductor or president contact the local musicians union and see if the have an education fund or grant that can be used to bring a master class to the band. If so, then one week the band could have just the brass come for a brass master class, another week just woodwinds. It's a resource that gets ignored often.


   




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