Re: High notes

    
Re: High notes    14:43 on Saturday, November 20, 2004          
(Yvonne)
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Hi- anyone that has any sheet music on their computer or has any really good trumpet playing help, tips, or insight- Please post `em here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/PlayTrumpetGetSheetMusic/ This is not a place to BUY SELL OR TRADE NO SPAMMERS. Looking for knowledgable mature people to contribute.


Re: High notes    08:34 on Sunday, November 21, 2004          
(Yvonne)
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If anyone has sound files of Trumpet Notes- Could you please email them to me YvoHath@wmconnect.com I have a yahoo group - and I Would like to have a section for Newbies or Bginners - so if they are self teaching they could have a frame of reference for the notes. Because newbies are not exactly sure what notes they are getting out. Or if you have a link to page with the sound files please email them to me YvoHath@wmconnect.com - I have found that there is not really any quality stuff on the net for newbies.


Re: High notes    23:40 on Sunday, November 21, 2004          
(SOPHOMORE)
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FIRST OF ALL I DONT THINK ILL EVER FIND THIS SITE AGAIN BUT BUT YEAH YOUR RIGHT ABOUT WHATS THE POINT OF PLAYING HIGH WHEN YOU KNOW YOUR MOUTH PIECE IS DOING ALL THE WORK I KNOW THIS REALLY KOOL MOUTH PEICE THOUGH ITS CALLED YAMAHA BOBBY SHOO LEE MOUTH PIECE ITS SO SHALLOW YOUR LIPS TOUCH THE FREAKIN HOLE YOU CAN HIT THE TRIPPLE HIGH G,F,OR IF YOUR REALLY LAME YOU CAN ALSO HIT THE TRIPPLE HIGH E,D,F I CAN HIT A TRIPPLE HIGH E AND SQUEAK AN F LOL ON A 7C BEGINNERS MOUTH PIECE AND YOU KNOW WHAT DOESNT TAKE A LOT OF WORK BECAUSE I NEVER USED TO PLAY HIGH ONE DAY MY FRIEND TOLD ME PLAY AS HIGH AS YOU COULD BUT I DIDNT KNOW THE FINGERINGS OR WHAT HIGHER OCTAVES WERE BUT I HIT THE TRIPPLE HIGH C WITH NO PROBLEM IM ONLY 15 PLAYED TRUMPET FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS NOW TOOK ME A FEW SECONDS TO KNOW I COULD ALREADY PLAY THAT HIGH LOTS OF AIR AIR AND SUPPORT AND ANYONE CAN DO ANYTHING


High Notes??? good at times, bad at others    15:30 on Monday, November 22, 2004          
(Trumpet Dude)
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Well, i have to say that everyone here has good points. Playing high is fun but so is nailing that 12 bar sixteenth-note trumpet section soli. What i am trying to say is that if you want to be a good all-around player playing high isn`t all there is to it. I play double c`s but i also can play through an entire Arban etude book with no problem. There is a time for high notes and there is a time for low notes as well as medium range notes. I hate when people play the star-spangled banner and they worry about playing the note up a 3rd on the last hold before the end. i mean, they finish playing and they say, "dude, did you hear me nail that note?" That is tererible that someone would disrespect the star-spangled banner like that. When in a jazz group, marching group, or a pep band group, it is fine to play high sometimes but not when you are playing some stupid ass nothings.....


God wants you to play high notes    17:18 on Tuesday, November 23, 2004          
(highcainthighenough)
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Go for God

Go for high notes

God loves the dubba C dudes

Real men play above the dubba C

God is for the high notes

Sail above the charts dudes

Charts are for old pharts

Love Jason


trumpet note    12:13 on Friday, December 3, 2004          
(kathy the butthead)
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you suck you cant get to the high notes and now im just driving in the school

your a dummi arnt you


Re: High notes    22:28 on Saturday, December 4, 2004          
(Louis Armnotsostrong)
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Haveing trouble with high notes eh? lol well that must mean you are buzzing your lips to hard lol....it sounds silly but it just takes being relaxed..i am no Dizzy Gillspe or anything but i am the best Jazz musican in Iuka IL. So if anyone wants to get a pointer or two from me i will be more then happy to answer your qestions just reply to this =+D


Re: High notes    22:29 on Saturday, December 4, 2004          
(Louis Armnotsostrong)
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Haveing trouble with high notes eh? lol well that must mean you are buzzing your lips to hard lol....it sounds silly but it just takes being relaxed..i am no Dizzy Gillspe or anything but i am the best Jazz musican in Iuka IL. So if anyone wants to get a pointer or two from me i will be more then happy to answer your qestions just reply to this =+D


Soft practice helps a lot!    10:52 on Sunday, December 5, 2004          
(Bob Odneal)
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I have plenty of examples you can see and hear!

Check out my site and videos.

http://bobodneal.com

Casual Double High "C"

Bob Odneal


Soft practice helps a lot!    10:53 on Sunday, December 5, 2004          
(Bob Odneal)
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I have plenty of examples you can see and hear!

Check out my site and videos.

http://bobodneal.com

Casual Double High "C"

Bob Odneal


Re: High notes    19:23 on Sunday, December 5, 2004          
(A trumpeter)
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I am a early tumpet player and i am 13 i think the higher i can go the better the range i will have as excel that`s all really and i think that is good practice for school


Dip    19:02 on Thursday, December 9, 2004          
(Fly523)
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Jason ur an idiot, wats the population of ur town like 4


high notes are in time    12:41 on Monday, December 13, 2004          
(mike)
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i think at one time or another everybody loves the high notes cause thats what gets you recognition at a young age in some cases. but as you get older or time just passes you get bored with it and find somthing else. seriously before you could play high notes what was your ambition on your trumpet. mine was just being as good or even just get in the vacinity of the ability of the first chair guy at my school now thats pushed me here now im the best in my school thats not saying much but like see if there wasnt high notes some ppl would quit and not get to what they really like high notes sometimes keep ppl playing just long enought to find something they really like doing on trumpet and it goes both ways something hold ppl in trumpet playing just long enough to play high notes and they love that like maynard ferguson he loves it leave him alone hes just playing his personal preference nothing more nothing less miles davis plays his soft tunes he loves that are you gonna rag on him cause he loves the soft gental stuff see its all just what you like and personal preferrence


High Notes    08:58 on Wednesday, December 15, 2004          
(ROD)
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For info...
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Efficiency Correlated to Range.....

Most people when learning, start at Low C on the horn right away. I have mentioned elsewhere in the EMBOUCHURE ENHANCEMENT book, that I believe this to be detrimental to quite a high proportion of people seeking to end up with a range which goes into the altissimo register with ease. Let me explain...

Low C as a starting point for beginners has too much scope with which to allow the production of a good sounding note B U T albeit arrived at by undesirable methods.
[too open an aperture / mpc. pressure / blowing hard / puffing cheeks etc..]

At Low C [with a moderate dynamic] the basic resonance of the horn does not have a very large impedance and is a less stable note. It is due to this fact that it`s easier to distort it or achieve it by a variety of extraneous lip motion. This is why kids find it an easy note to get on the horn to start. And as long as they get it most teachers are happy that they have achieved what they perceive as the first rung on the ladder of range extension step by step.

In my opinion this is bad news further down the road for the student.

Much better to start the student off on lip buzzing then mpc buzzing at a `second line G` pitch and eventually giving them the trumpet as a special treat for doing the buzzing well. If we then start the student off on second line G on the horn and work towards third space C, I think we would have less embouchure problems occurring in general at a later stage. Let me explain further.....

When we think about the air column exciting the lips into a vibration of sound in the harmonic series structure of the trumpet, the second line `G` is THE most easily obtained note at a soft dynamic level due to the greatest impedance [or soundwave feedback] which is shown at a maximum when plotted on a impedance frequency / pressure response curve graph.

This note has a faster horn-response time to control at a softer dynamic, but not as the dynamic increases, and for these two reasons alone is more difficult for the beginner to obtain when compared to trying a low C.

The beginner [in his naivety] wants only to do 2 things...

1. to get a clear sound out, paying no attention to extraneous lip motion of which he has no experience of course [much easier to do on `C`]
2. blow quite hard, like bugs bunny on the cartoons etc... [easier to do on `C`]

The teacher [in an effort to get another pupil on board] wants to hear a clear/loudish sound coming out and does`nt mind whether it a low c or second line g.

This means that right off the bat the pupils are learning "non-control brute force blowing" starting on low C which will only get you so far depending on your personal physiology / will power.

If we tried more patiently with making them start on a second line `G,` we would`nt have SO many maverick embouchures and lip manipulations for higher notes. Then when ready on the horn and at a soft dynamic they would learn to control the notes out FROM THE VERY BEGINNING!!!

This is why in the past teachers have taken the easy path of using Low C. Physics and human nature are BOTH against them!!!

If you can accept that it is possible for a student to arrive at a fairly good sounding
Low C inefficiently by using bad habit[s] as described above, indulge me a little while we extend this concept to other notes. Let`s say [ on a scale of 1 -100 ] that Low C production is easy to obtain by just about any old method and scores a 100 because of that fact. Put yourself in this players shoes and indeed some of you may already be in these shoes....This is why gaining pitch "note by note" feels like "brick wall time" to some.

Let`s now assign values of `difficulty` to each "milestone note" the way that lots of people think of high register note gaining is obtained. We have to allow for a certain margin for skill / luck other variables...
....hence the difference you`ll notice on the chart below between G second line = 80 and third space C =60. Mathematicians would express this better I`m sure.

However.... see if this chart coming up helps you visualize my concept ......

#1. Here`s what a Low C beginner FEELS [in terms of difficulty] up through the registers.
The numbers represent the level of effort required in attaining a specific pitch ie:
100 = easily obtained // 1 = enormous effort or difficulty

Difficulty level numerically shown in obtaining a given pitch WITH bad habits:

 Low C =========== 100 --- Inefficiency doesn`t matter in gaining this pitch.
 " D =========== 99 -- blow harder
 " E =========== 98 -- ditto
 " F =========== 97 --ditto
 Second line G ===== 80 --- Bad habits start to matter because of physics of `the tube`.
 Third space C ===== 60 --- a little more difficult to control
 Third space E ===== 50 --- ditto
 Top staff G ======= 30 --- the pressure is on! : )
 `A` first leger line ==== 35 --- depends on how he copes with the last pitch.
 High C ========== 15 -- bad habits affect consistency here depending on last pitch
 High D ========== 8 -- where he finds out whether he is a lead player or not
 High E =========== 6 -- bad habits REALLY affect him now!
 High F ========== 4 -- he`s definitely a lead player - OUCH! ..get a sizzler mpc.
 High G [4 legers] == 2 -- any bad habits here GREATLY affects future range
 High A ========== 1 -- stands a small chance of only "hitting" pitches here
 High Bb ======== 1 --ditto
 High B ========= 1--ditto
 Double High C === 1 - a highly wished for note, only to be gained by squeezing.
 DHD =============0 - zilchville
 DHE==============0
 DHF==============0
 DHG==============0
 DHA==============0
 DHB==============0
 Tripple C =========0
 Quad C ===========0

So now let`s flip the coin of history and reverse time, he starts with lip/mpc buzzing and he/she has some aperture control and finesse before even getting on the horn and realises that to change pitch requires finnesse, not brute strength, or left arm or mpc pressure.

His teacher starts him on G even to buzz. And he gets it focussed, time constraints and pupils boredom threshold being a very important factor of course. He now plays second line G on the horn and quickly makes it his start point to which all other pitches relate, up and down.

Let`s see how on the next page this compares to our table of performance above...........

#2.Here`s what a SECOND LINE `G` buzz / beginner feels in difficulty levels as they ascend.

Difficulty level shown in obtaining a given pitch with FEW / NO BAD HABITS.

 Second line G ===== 100 ----START POINT--EASY --uses air not chops on up
 Third space C ===== 100 --register is in chunks not steps [same aperture/faster air]
 Third space E ===== 99 -- no problem...
 Top staff G ======= 95 - hardly any different to start point second line g
 A first leger line ==== 90 - fine..
 High C ========== 87 - can`t figure what all the other kids fuss about.
 High D ========== 85 - consistency so good lead trumpet is assured now!
 HighE =========== 80 - faster air!
 High F ========== 80 - not much diff. to High C except for internal compression
 High G [4 legers] == 70 -- plays this no problem [ consistent, rarely fails]
 High A ========== 50 -- needs to be efficient, little mpc pressure important.
 High Bb ======== 50 -- ditto
 High B ========= 50 --ditto
 Double High C === 45 - can do it consistently with control.
 DHD =========== 45 - upwards depends if any bad habits picked up on the way
 DHE=============== 40
 DHF=============== 40
 DHG=============== 35
 Tripple C ======== 20
 Quad C ========= 10

If you disagree with the numbers that`s fine, put your own in there that you think suitable. I fervently hope you have understood my thinking on this.

What I can assure you however, is that if YOU happen to be student number one and started on Low C, built up note by note, gathering bad habits along the way, at some point problems will, or already have begun to manifest themselves certainly in your range technique and, if bad enough will also show up in a lack of musical expressiveness [flowing lines/dynamic control pp etc..] at an earlier point in the register.

The biggest misdemeanour shared by ALL in trumpet playing, is mpc pressure. If you imagine student number one our low c starter as having `mpc pressure` as his primary bad habit, this will affect him from day one in his effort to build upwards, note on note, or step by step.

If with student number two [`g` buzz starter] the usual `early onset` of too much mpc pressure is avoided, then he does`nt suffer the note on note building approach, and will proceed to climb the registers in chunks as opposed to the incredibly inefficient way of one step at a time.

It`s said by some players that high g [4 legers] involves not much more lip engagment than second line g. I would like to confirm this myself here and now. It is a matter of air control. If your a high g [4 leger] player....try this...



You see, if you`ve gained the range properly you have "in sections" like student number two
[`G` starter] in our hypothetical test, these intervals are MUCH less of a problem, which in turn means that range and endurance are less of a problem freeing you up to make MORE music without worrying whether you are gonna make that interval or not.

If your a high `g` player who is either stuck at high `g` totally, or a high `g` player who only has minimal control over high g,a,b,DHC you need to look at what bad habits you have formed on the instrument. Also if you found the above test slow , hard or inaccurate then I would suggest you use too much mpc pressure and this is preventing you in going any further. If you are in this situation go read the chapter entitled: "stuck at high g"

For the people who were nowhere near this test anyhow,recreate it using the Arban pg125, it should flow easily and the intervals should mean nothing in terms of lip engagement provided that your lip set/aperture point is close enough to cope and not too closed to choke off the sound [air.]

MORE INFO HERE>>>>


http://www.R-o-d-d-y-T-r-u-m-p-e-t.cC


Re: High notes    10:11 on Thursday, December 23, 2004          
(Jason Powers)
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