so any body have experience with thease, i have worked with a teacher on them a few years ago and im back around to hitting them again but they just sound wrong, Im sure it is just me being so used to playing major minor stuff. What about the diminished whole tone series that wrocks. Ok thanks.

The best way would be to buy a book dealing with that. Any good music theory book, or an unusually complete scale book would have them. At least they would have a good explanation of them.

Or look online. With a quick look I found this:

http://www.guitarnoise.com/article.php?id=387

Might help a little, or you might find something better with more effort than I put into it.