Mouthpiece and instrument combination
Mouthpiece and instrument combination
23:27 on Saturday, January 6, 2007
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08:29 on Sunday, January 7, 2007
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21:11 on Thursday, January 11, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece and instrument combination
07:03 on Friday, January 12, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece and instrument combination
08:48 on Friday, January 12, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece and instrument combination
16:23 on Friday, January 12, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece and instrument combination
22:09 on Friday, January 12, 2007
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bobsacamano (158 points)
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That's fine. For now the 6.5 is probably OK. But as you improve and your chops get stronger, you might start to find that the 6.5 doesn't let you put as much air through the horn as you need to, and you'll need something bigger. As you begin to play with better ensembles, you'll find that they'll want a bigger sound from you and the ability to play louder without the sound breaking up. The biggger mouthpieces let you do that, but your chops have to be well-developed in order to control a large mouthpiece.
In high school, I used a 6.5 also. But when I got into college and started playing real orchestral stuff and more advanced band pieces, the conductor was looking for a much bigger sound out of me. He told me to check out some of the classic Chicago Symphony recordings, and I realized that he was right. So I moved to a bigger mouthpiece and that helped me get the sound that was required. It also meant much more time in the practice room, because my endurance, high register, and air control suffered quite a bit on the bigger mouthpiece. Eventually I got used to the 5G, then moved down to the 4G, and even a 3G. I decided that the cup and backbore of the 3G were too big, but I liked the rim size, and the Doug Elliott mouthpiece allowed me to get the best of both worlds, so it's a nice compromise.
I tried almost every single brand besides Bach, though. At one time or another, I was going through Schilke, Stork, Greg Black, Griego, Laskey, Elliott and other brands that I can't even remember! At the end it came down to a choice between the Greg Black/Alessi 3.5 medium weight, and the Elliott piece I'm playing now. I had been switching between the two of them constantly, not sure of which one I should use permanantly. Using two different mouthpieces on the same horn messes with the chops, so I had to choose one. With the Black/Alessi, I got a huge, dark sound and the ability to play extremely loudly without breaking up, but since the mouthpiece was very heavy, it was hard to color the sound and tougher on the chops. With the Elliott, I can't play quite as loud, but I find that the sound is much more versatile, and the mouthpiece seems to be more efficient, so I don't get as tired when I play. So I decided to stick with the Elliott and eventually sold the Black/Alessi to somebody else. Six months later, I'm still convinced that I made the right choice, and I'm sticking with the Elliott forever!
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Re: Mouthpiece and instrument combination
19:57 on Saturday, January 13, 2007
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Erik (218 points)
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Good post Bob.
In high school I played a Dennis Wick 5, and when I went to college, I also found that I neede d something bigger. I tried larger Wicks, Schilkes, Bachs, Marcinkowicz, and a few others. For about a year I actually played a Marcinkowicz George Roberts Custom bass piece for lead work in Wind Ensemble and Orchestra. Eventually, I found it was a bit to big and was effecting my chops, so I went with a Warburton 5, and then a Warburton 7ST which I still play.
I am again interested in new pieces, even though I love my Warburton. I think I just need something a bit more open, so I would love to try out some Greg Black and Doug Elliot pieces. Eventually, that is...
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Re: Mouthpiece and instrument combination
22:14 on Saturday, January 13, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece and instrument combination
08:24 on Sunday, January 14, 2007
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Steve (457 points)
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Yes, I agree that many players (myself included) use considerably larger mouthpieces. But if a 6.5AL is truly what works for HIM, who are we to push him to change it? He hasn't mentioned the desire to go to college and major in music, has he? Who says his goals are orchestral? While there are trends, many great players play outside the general consensus. Personally, for my small horn lead playing, I use a mouthpiece rim that most would consider rediculously big for the job (Doug Elliott XT103). But it's what works for me.
Is it not possible, that if the 6.5 rim is what is comfortable for Josh's face, that the bigger darker sound could be accomplished with a mouthpiece of the same rim but with a different shaped/ deeper cup and/ or a more open throat and back bore? Maybe it would work... maybe not. We don't know if he's an upstreamer, downstreamer, high placement, etc.
The fact is, we just don't know. We don't know Josh's future goals with bone playing. We've never seen or heard him play. Point out the general consensus if you feel you must, but let's remember that there are a lot of factors we are just not privy to.
To answer the original posted question...
I use a Doug Elliot XT103 lexan rim.. with a G cup and 8 shank for my large tenor. Same rim with a C cup and 3 shank for my small tenor.
Do any of you who have never heard or seen me play care to tell me I should change?
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Re: Mouthpiece and instrument combination
20:39 on Sunday, January 14, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece and instrument combination
10:03 on Monday, January 15, 2007
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