Mouthpiece Issue
Mouthpiece Issue
15:13 on Saturday, February 17, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece Issue
16:41 on Saturday, February 17, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece Issue
20:41 on Saturday, February 17, 2007
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Steve (457 points)
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I sense a common problem here....(and this is just a hunch, so if I'm wrong please forgive me!)
It sounds to me like you, at some point along the way, fell in love with the large horn classical sound. That's great. But... in a big band, that sound just isn't going to fly. You need to find that balance... a sound that projects, has a bit of an edge to it, but still as a sweet tone. You're looking to blend with the trumpet section, and if you're the lead, blend with the lead trumpet. It's a hard thing to do, especially when you're trying to match those tight articulations on a big tubby horn and mouthpiece.
It sounds like you are trying to play with your big-horn-pretty-legit sound in the big band, and your teacher senses that it doesn't blend, nor does it give the desired sound. It doesn't matter that you can hit the notes. It's a sound he's after. His suggestion is to go smaller on the mouthpiece, which may or may not work. But until you embrace the big band/lead bone sound, no horn/mouthpiece combination is going to work.
You have to treat lead/bigband bone playing almost like an entirely different instrument. They're supposed to sound different. You should approach them that way.
Now... when you get that sound concept in your head, it is possible to get it with a large rimmed mouthpiece, if you have a shallow cup and tighter backbore. The bad news is, the only way I know of to get a mouthpiece like that is through Doug Elliott... his stuff is great, but you'll wait and it ain't cheap.
But it just sounds to me like another case of getting the right tool for the job.
I played in a showband all last year with a second bone player who insisted on playing on a Bach 42 (while I was playing lead on a 3B). It just didn't blend. It drove me nuts.
Again, just something to think about. If i'm way off base here, just ignore me.
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Re: Mouthpiece Issue
20:46 on Saturday, February 17, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece Issue
23:14 on Saturday, February 17, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece Issue
12:03 on Sunday, February 18, 2007
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matthewharris_06 5
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Posted by matthewharris_065
How long have you been playing?
My music teacher and most music teachers start their students off on a 12c mouthpiece which is small. Most student horns come with this mouthpiece. Its like the 7c mouthpiece for trunmpet, it restricts you a little on flexibility, but it helps you learn to control your sound and helps you hit the right partial. Believe me, when I switched from the 12c to a 5g mouthpiece, the 5g was huge, but I was able to play it because of the the way the 12c trained me. I find the 6 1/2 AL better than the 5g, but the 5g puts less restraint on your lips. Also, I switch to the 12c a little in jazz because it allows me to hit a Bb5 relatively easy.
Also, for bass trombone I play on a 1 1/2 g by holton.
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Re: Mouthpiece Issue
14:15 on Sunday, February 18, 2007
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Re: Mouthpiece Issue
14:39 on Sunday, February 18, 2007
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Erik (218 points)
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Be patient. Mouthpiece changes are a big thing. Pick one of those mouthpieces, or get a new one you like, and work hard on your fundamentals. For those notes that don't sound right, work on your mouthpiece alone trying to find that exact note. It is a big change going from a bass piece to a tenor piece for the same music. Just be patient, do your fundamental work, mouthpiece buzzing and it will work out. Especialy with your teacher helping. Trust me, the change will be worth it. It was for me.
By the way, if it's a specific jazz band/lead bone issue, I agree completely with Steve. It's all about the sound output you are after. Try to find a modular system for your piece, and use the same rim, but diferent backbores for different groups, jazz vs classical. Greg Black makes amazing pieces, but the one I use is made by Warburton. (Of course, that's only because I have not had the oportunity to test GB pieces, and I refuse to buy before I try.) Same idea, different dude, and I love it for most playing.
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