I am looking for an F-attachment trombone. It doesnt have to be brand new, just in good condition, and large bore. Mine got stepped on at a football game, and since i have been wanting a new one, i figure now is a good time. I dont have much money, but if you have one for sale please post it.

I know of a King 607 (I think) that is in good condition. It is an intermediate model horn, with a medium large bore and an F attachment. I did work on it, including stripping the lacquer. It sounds really nice now, with a clear and brilliant sound. It is easy to play, and since it isn`t a full .547" bore, it is well suited for playing many genres, from orchestral to jazz. I think that asking price is $450, so if you are interested, let me know and I will get in contact with the owner.

why strip the lacquor?
Bobert im confused why did you strip the lacquor? Is it your horn? Did you buy it new? ecct ecct ecct.

I have played many horns w and wo it I dont really notice a big diference n the sound.

If you want to modify a horn to get a really bright sound try cutting the rim off the bell.(have it done professionally) WOW did it to an old horn and it made the bell truly ring. The rim on the bell stops alot of the vibration that is so critical to a trombonests sound.

Just a thaught.

The horn belongs to a friend of mine. I stripped the lacquer, because I perform custom work on brass instruments. I stripped it because the lacquer noticeably cuts down on the ability of the metal to resonate properly, and gives a dull, dead tone. Cutting the rim off of the bell will give a much more responsive and brilliant tone, but it will considerably cut down on the ability for a horn to project. Some older Conn trombones and trumpets came from the factory without a bell rim. The rim is almost necessary in modern music, because of the volumetric demands of sound and projection. In a small combo setting, this might work, but it certainly wouldn`t for say, a symphony orchestra performing Mahler. The added rim weight, along with braces, helps to stabilize the instrument, and keeps the metal from vibrating, so that the air column is the only thing resonating. This is why Monette, Taylor, Courtois, Harrelson, etc. use heavy metal and sheet bracing in their trumpets. This design is not yet popular in trombones, but I believe it will catch on in the future. My heavyweight sheet braced trombone has more power and color in the sound, with the ability to project over the top of just about anything, than any other trombone I have ever played.

Bobert, do you have the lacquer stripped off of your own personal trombone(s) that you play?

I do play a raw brass horn. I also have a silver plated Conn 2H, which I don`t play that often. The horn I usually play is a custom Besson/Harrelson, in raw brass with heavy sheet bracing. Until I had this new horn built for me, I played an unlacquered Yamaha 456G, which was a smaller bore than the new one is, but had a better sound than any other horn I had ever played. When I bought my new horn, I test played a large number of horns to see what I liked the best. After countless Bachs and Yamahas, Getzens, Conns, Shires and Edwards, I decided that nothing was what I really wanted. Nothing was dark enough, with enough power, but still warm and brilliant. The Conn trombones had a nice warm sound, but couldn`t hold together at higher volumes. The Yamahas seemed to have a brittle sound, probably because of the thick lacquer. The Bachs had more power than most of the horns, but they all sounded bad. The Shires and Edwards custom horns are nice, but the main goal of an instrument like that is to offer the player more choices in instrument selection, yet they didn`t offer what I was looking for. The Besson had the most power of anything I tried (including the custom horns) and it sounded as nice as the Conn`s and as dark as my old Yamaha. Furthermore, it had the Hagmann valve system, which is the most open valve around, along with one of the quickest. So that became the base of my custom trombone, and from there I worked with Jason Harrelson to design a bracing system that would enhance all aspects of my horn. I have now had the finished horn for about two months, and it is perfect. The sound and response is far superior to anything else I have ever tried.

So to answer your question, yes, I play an unlacquered horn.

Don`t know if Cory got back to you.

My son has been playing a very old Olds Ambassador for 3 years now (he`s starting 7th grade). The horn dates from `58 or `59 and is badly tarnished, but sound real nice. David wants to get a trigger trombone, and his band director thinks it`s a good idea since he`s pretty good for a 7th grader and seriously interested in music. The "new" horn will be used for both band and jazz band. I`m absolutely cluelss about what we need to be looking for in a new or used trombone for my son. Any tips? And is the King 607 is available? Thanks!

Which style of music is your son most interested in playing? The traditional wind band music or jazz band music?

He`s more interested in jazz right now---mainly because
(as he puts it) ``the jazz band parts are a lot harder and more interesting than the band parts.`` When he does solo contests, however, he`s still pretty much doing classical stuff, but part of that is still his grade level.

Thanks,
Robin

If I were you, I`d go for a King 3B. It`s a medium bore horn which can be used for just about anything. It is a standard jazz horn, but a lot of guys use it for the wind band rep as well. It`s just a good all-around instrument in my opinion.

Any advice on f-rotor trombones? My son particularly wants to "replace" the old Olds Ambassador with a f-rotor since he`s very small (he`s still only about 50-52 inches tall) and his biggest problem with difficult music is getting in and out of 7th (at all times) and in and out of 6th quickly. I`ve got a bid in on an older King 3b with f-rotor on e-bay, but (knowing my luck) we`re not likely to get it. Would a King 605/607/608 with rotor be a good choice given his interest in Jazz and the necessary need for something that can handle the band and band/classical solo contest stuff?
Thanks, Robin

I hope you get the 3b on ebay they are fabulous. King makes some really good horns. You might want to look in to the getzin horns. I Play a 107f It is a really nice horn with good response. You can get them used for really reasonable prices. I went from an olds (really a pea shooter) to a bach mercedes 2(it is an older hor around 70 years old) that was my first pro horn. I still have it and would recomend looking for one of those too.

The King 3b can come with an F-attachment... it would be model 2103F.

Oh sorry... I didn`t read your entire post.

The King 607F would definitely be much better than a 3B for all-around playing. it has a slightly bigger bore than the 3B. If you can get that horn, that would be great. I`m going to look into finding one of those horns for myself now!

I have a King 607 that is for sale. It is unlaquered, except for the F-attachment.
I had it serviced about a year ago to have a couple
of dents taken out of the bell and the bottom crook of
the slide replaced. The slide and valve work well,
there are a few small dents in the upper part of the
bell and in the tuning slides, but other than that it is in good condition.
It comes with an E-Z tone 12C mouthpiece. The case is
in good condition as well.
I`m asking 450 obo
Email me if you`re interested.