Hey guys, it`s time for me to sell one of my 5 trombones so I can buy a new one.

The one I`m selling is a Bach Stradivarius 42T model. The T stands for the Thayer Valve system, which is the best trigger system you will find on a trombone. The reason I`m selling is because I joined a ska band, and the large bore puts out a bit more of a deep, warm, symphonic sound than I`d like to have with this band. Anyway, here`s the stats:

The Bad

While there is not a spot on the trombone, there are a couple of cosmetically bad points:

-There is a crease in the lacquer above the bell where a dent was removed. It is perfectly smooth where the dent was pulled, but the ding did leave a crease in the lacquer so it LOOKS like there is a ding left in it. Playing is not affected at all by this.

-There are a couple of dark spots on the lacquer. The most noticable one is a small centimeter long strip on the edge of the bell where it wraps around the bell`s support ring. The other one is right above the Thayer valve and is really hardly noticeable at all.

-The only scratches on the horn is on the underside of the handle of the hand slide. Since your hand will be over these very small, light scratches, I don`t see how this would matter.

-There are a couple of the support pegs missing from the exterior of the case. On no side are there more than one missing, so the case still sits stably on the ground.


The Good:
-The Thayer Valve system. This combined with an open wrap tubing design make this the best f trigger design I have ever played. You can be putting air through the trombone and hit the trigger and it will switch over notes perfectly without cracking at all.

-Every time I took this thing out of its case I wiped it down with a polish rag. I played it for a year and it has been in storage for a little over a year and still looks brand new. Every once and a while when it has been stored I would take it out of the case and give it a thorough cleaning to be sure it stays in good condition.
This thing has been babied, to be sure.

-It comes with two mouthpieces. One is the stock 6 1/2 AL Vincent Bach mouthpiece it came with, and the other is an $80 Bach Megatone 6 1/2AL mouthpiece that has extra mass to give your tone an even warmer sound.

-It comes in the very nice zip-up Bach Stradivarius case with a storage pocket on the bottom for your sheet music.

-This trombone is the warmest sounding horn I have ever played. You will not get a better tone on any other instrument. This horn is the Porsche of trombones, and it`s superior playing and beautiful looks have always left an impression on other musicians wherever I took it.



Alright, so that`s about it. This is really an incredible trombone that I`ve always babied to death. And it`s cheap, too. The list price is $3,575 but all that I`m asking is $1,700. So if you want a great horn for more than half off, let me know.

Email me at phil@abhva.org

take away the 1 in $1700 and I`ll buy it

Dude sell the 1 with the valvue you were talking about if your going to get a new one with the same type of valvue.

p.s. if i said something really dumb or that doesn`t make sense sorry, I`m new at the trombone and i don`t even have mine yet

James learn to spell value please.

Value, valve..... they`re so alike.....

Wow, $3575 for a Bach. An Edwards T 350 comes with the real Thayer valve, and is one of the better horns on the market. And it only costs $3000. I hope you didn`t pay list for your Bach.

I am in the band at my local high school and this is my 4th year playing trombone. I have basically out grown my beginners trombone, and when i play i know im doing the right things but my horn sounds like crap. I would love to purchase your horn, so get back at me and lets see what we can do!

Bobert, actually Edwards doesn`t use the genuine Thayer valve. They make their own version, and they call it their Axial Flow Valve.

First off, Bobert.... List price is the "way high price no one ever pays". Giardinelli and Woodwind Brasswind both have that as their "list" but sell the horn for around $2,000.

As for the Thayer, yeah, that`s true. Edwards does not make a "Thayer" valve, they make an "Axial Flow Valve". But yeah, they are pretty much exactly the same, except for the Edwards being far superior.

Now as for the horn. Awesome horn. I played a Bach 42 for years, and if not for mr Edards, I would have bought another 42 with either the Thayer or Hagmann valve. Awesome horn, I recomend it to anyone looking for a full size big bore.

Actually, Orla Ed Thayer invented the Thayer valve and it is the one that they currently use on Getzen trombones. Bach stole the name Thayer and began producing it`s own version of the axial flow valve, which is just the technical term for that style of valve. The valves that Bach is producing are of terrible quality, with some having as much as a millimetre of lateral movement. Some of the valves that they produce are useable, but many are not. If you intend to purchase a Bach trombone, I reccomend getting a standard horn and having a reputable repair shop add a genuine Thayer valve to it. Finally, I realize that no one pays list for a trombone. I can buy a brand new Bach 42T for $2100, so paying $1700 for a used one seems rather steep to me.

Got ya all beat! Cl200 rotor is better :P

err, CL2000*

Meh.... I`ve played on a CL2000, and the Edwards Axial Flow Valve is by far superior.

To each his own. I`ve been on my CL-2000 and I don`t see me changing soon.

I`ve played my share of trombone models, and find that 2 horns suit my tastes the most:

For classical: Conn 88-H SGX CL-2000 Silver and Gold Edition (I couldn`t afford this one, I have a rose bell model)
For Jazz: Getzen Deluxe "The Dude" 60 Elkhart (Small peashooter, I am one of those guys who hate triggers in jazz [cept Bass Trombone])

My personal favorite valve is the Rene Hagmann valve. If it is well maintained, it works as fast as the Lindberg and the valve and wrap is actually freer than the Thayer. Unfortunately, if it is not taken care of, the quality quickly degrades due to the tight clearances and high precision pieces. But this should not be an issue for serious players.