the tenor clef is easy

Re: "Yes, you do have to learn tenor clef for trom and though I have no probs on cello its IMPOSSIBLE to play on trom. And we (trombonists) also play in treble clef."

The cello and trombone use the same clefs: bass, tenor, and treble. So do the bassoon and the double bass use these same three clefs. The alto clef for trombone is an atavism. The only modern instrument that currently uses it is the viola.

The cello can play lower than a trombone (a major third lower, not counting pedal tones and assuming no F attachment) and higher than a trombone, although the upper limits of both depend on the player. The cello can play double, triple, and quadruple stops, and the trombone cannot. The trombone can play louder than the cello.

The bassoon frequently doubles the cello part in orchestral scores. The trombone does not.

yes, the tenor clef was hard for me at first... but i learned both tenor and treble the same way i learned bass.... I had played piano so i knew both bass and treble clef just not on the cello.I woulndt advise using the read up a string cause thats a crutch once you run out of strings to go up..

Re: "I woulndt advise using the read up a string cause thats a crutch once you run out of strings to go up."

And since the tenor clef is reserved mostly for the upper range, you are very often running out of strings to go up.

My own problem is that before I took up the cello I was in the habit of reading the tenor clef (in orchestral scores) by pretending it was the treble clef and taking it down a ninth. Needless to say, this method slows me down a great deal when I`m trying to sight-read on the cello, but it`s thoroughly ingrained by now. How do I discard it?

tenor clef fingerings on the cello bad symbol imitation but> [B
E-shift_______________________
D-4rth
C-3rd_________________________
B-first finger
A-string(middle line)_________
G
F_____________________________
E
D-string______________________


Treble clef fingerings Symbol> & (another bad imitation LOL)

_____________________________
E-Harmonic
D____________________________
C
B____________________________
A-harmonic
G____________________________
f
1st-E on the A-string________

OOps forgot the F on the top line of the treble clef.

Re: "tenor clef fingerings on the cello bad symbol imitation but..."

I think everybody here knows what the tenor clef notes are where to find them on the cello. The problem some of us are having has to do with reading the tenor clef rapidly enough for real time, especially when the notes are quick.

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Anyways, just take the music slow at first, then play a little faster. That`s how it usually goes.

That doesn`t work. Reading slowly I automatically take it down a ninth from treble clef. Once I`ve read it I know what the notes are and am no longer reading.

...Reading slowly I automatically take it down a ninth...



HUH?????? That makes no sence.

I see, for exampl,e a note on the top line of the staff. I think to myself (not actually in words, of course, and out of habit: this is ingrained), "That would be the second F above middle C on the treble clef [a clef with which I`ve been thoroughly familiar since early childhood]. A ninth below this F is the first E above middle C, and thus this is the note I should play on my cello."

That process takes some time (although not nearly as much time as it takes to explain). If the notes are slow enough, or if I`m playing out of tempo, it does not present a particular problem. If the notes are fast and I`m playing in tempo (because I`m rehearsing with my orchestra, for example), it presents a large problem.

What actually happens is that I muff the fast tenor clef passages with the orchestra until I take the part home and learn it, and taking the part home and learning it in this case means partially memorizing the tenor clef passages. At the next orchestra rehearsal I`ll be playing these tenor clef passages partially from memory (by "partially", I mean "from memory, but prompted by symbols on the page"), and that isn`t reading.

I need to figure out some way to kick the habit, to go cold turkey.