Franz Liszt
Franz Liszt
14:46 on Thursday, March 29, 2007
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Re: Franz Liszt
16:36 on Thursday, March 29, 2007
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geoffw (14 points)
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Well, nobody's stopping you now...but I wouldn't recommend it. This piece is probably hard enough that if you have to ask, you should wait. There are three main reasons.
1) Trying to play a very difficult and fast piece when you don't have sufficient technique and piano knowledge can lead to serious injury, cutting your piano playing career short (look what happened to Scriabin, et al.)
2) If you are insufficiently prepared for an advanced piece, you may learn it wrong/poorly, making it infinitely harder to learn it well later on.
3) You may become very frustrated and discouraged because you are not progressing, and be turned off from practicing, while playing pieces more at your level will lead to good progress.
That said, it's good (or neccessary) to have goals and dreams at the piano, and remember that if you practice enough and have a good teacher, you will progress. In the meantime, if this particular piece is an overriding goal that you're willing to work towards for years, there are things you can do in the meantime.
1) Learn the easiest passages. As you improve, more and more sections will be within your grasp, and you can add them. Unfortunately, I think most 3-year students will not be ready for any part of this piece yet so--
2) Learn easier pieces that teach the skills you need. For example, shortly before measure 400 there is a passage with quick staccato octave movement. This is a techinique found in many many other pieces, and you can learn the techinque AND add a piece to your repertoire by learning those pieces. Also, Liszt loves to throw in crazy fast sweeping arpeggios and/or chromatic scales. Practice those, and try to learn pieces that teach those skills. Practice the F-major scales and arpeggios.
3) Learn pieces in a similar style. Learn other pieces in F-major. When you're ready, learn easier pieces by Liszt (he's not known for it, but some of his pieces are in fact much easier). Learn pieces that use similar rhythms.
I hope this helps put you on the right track. I know you want to hear a number, but everyone progresses differently. If you have good teachers and practice 8 hours a day, it could be very very soon, or if you have no teacher and practice 15 mins a day, it could be forever. It's up to you.
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Re: Franz Liszt
12:05 on Friday, March 30, 2007
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Re: Franz Liszt
18:01 on Friday, March 30, 2007
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Re: Franz Liszt
10:15 on Thursday, April 5, 2007
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Re: Franz Liszt
10:42 on Thursday, April 5, 2007
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Re: Franz Liszt
10:43 on Thursday, April 5, 2007
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geoffw (14 points)
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Yes, I agree that one of the most important things in studying piano is motivation, and the best motivation is playing music that you recognize and enjoy. It's especially satisfying when you play something that once seemed impossible.
For people who are just starting out, this is especially important, because very few individual pieces are both interesting and within your grasp. As long as you don't do anything that will injure you, playing snippets of (much) harder pieces probably won't have a negative effect on your pianistic development, and it can help bridge the gap while you improve. And of course playing pieces that are only somewhat above your level is how you improve your skills.
Just realize that there's the possibility of making it hard to learn those pieces well later. I learned Fur Elise almost 20 years ago, and I've played it probably a thousand times, and I have an easier time today with pieces I learned last month, because I've been unable to shake the bad habits I developed. And I learned the piece only when my teacher started me on it, so it wasn't even all that above my level. I just didn't know how to learn a piece properly yet, so I "learned" a few flaws.
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