I know this might sound like a stupid question, but have any of you ever heard of a C melody actually being played in a concert band? Also, have you ever heard of sheet music written specifically for C melody?

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It`s not a stupid question, it just doesn`t make sense. What are you asking? Have people have ever played concert band music in the key of concert C?

Also, please stop advertising your forum in every single thread you start. People aren`t going to care if you keep doing that.

He`s talking about C Melody saxophones. Ya know, those horns that either look like stunted tenors or altos on steroids...
Anyway, I`ve never heard of them being used for anything, other than collecting and just fooling around with. I guess they might be good to use in a band with keyboards, guitar, and bass, but other than that, no.

It`s kinda weird that you`ve never heard of C-mels. Here`s a blurb I copy-pasted from CyberSax:
Whuz Up With C-Melody Saxophones?

The tale of the rise and fall of C-Melody saxophones has many versions. Some of what we read as we travel about the web is truth and some is myth. It is true that Adolph Sax originally conceived the various saxophone models would be keyed in C and F, the convention in orchestral arranging. Since the saxophone did not immediately gain acceptance for orchestral work (as Sax had expected) the prevailing designs defaulted to Bb & Eb, keys more common to brass band instruments. At times all the Bb saxophone types (soprano, tenor, bass) have been produced in versions tuned to C. These C saxophones are equally as serious and well made designs as the corresponding Bb versions. It is therefore myth that a C saxophone is somehow inherently flawed.

During the economic let down following WWI American instrument makers seized upon the C saxophone as a way to promote sales outside the professional musician and student markets. Benefits of playing along with piano or guitar charts for home entertaining, combined with the relative ease with which one can become proficient on the saxophone, were strong marketing arguments. It didn`t hurt this master marketing campaign at all that the onset of Prohibition had severely limited options for entertaining guests `with full hospitalities` outside the home. Later in The 1920`s America saw a strong economic revival accompanied by voracious appetites for lavish excess. The saxophone was further popularized by the developing recording industry and by the growing number of touring orchestras. Things jazzed up rapidly as The Twenties started to roar, and the saxophone bellowed out its due share of the hype. With the saxophone being regaled as so easy to play, it`s not difficult to imagine gaily adorned C-Melody sax cases piling up under America`s Christmas trees. Unfortunately, it`s also easy to imagine the horrid sounds emanating from these misfortuned instruments as they were passed among rank amateur parlor guests partying on Saturday night. So, you see, it is also myth that C-Melody saxes play poorly and out of tune -- though you might be tempted to think so if your only exposure to them was after Uncle Fred had nosed a bit too far into the gin ...

So much for the rise. The reasons for decline of the C-Melody sax are equally clear and explainable. Two seminal events ushered in the 1930`s: Prohibition ended and The Great Depression began. The impetus for home entertaining abated, while the ability to make lavish gifts diminished greatly. Demand for luxuries of all manner dissipated, and since professionals and serious music students had never adopted the C-Melody, its market evaporated in rapid fashion. As a natural conclusion, manufacturers desperate to survive The Great Depression would reduce operating costs by first phasing out products where demand was weak. The C-Melody saxophone quite unavoidably slipped into obsolescence. Uncle Fred`s audience now eagerly sought any excuse for escape, so the C-Melody saxes went into attics or under beds -- if not to the pawn shop. The fad was over. Values plummeted and remained depressed for over 50 years. When both fashion and the economic pendulum turn against something the only prudent choice is to get out of the way ...

Thankfully, the C-Melody saga does not suffer the apparent ungracious end. After the C-Melody saxophone languished in myth and obscurity for over half a century, many saxophiles are rediscovering the virtues of this wonderful vintage instrument. Today, many C saxes have been restored and are once again finding a welcome place in the saxophone family. Fledgling saxophone collectors are eagerly acquiring them, often before filing out their collections in the other major sax types. C-Melodies and C Sopranos are also finding their way into public performance, especially in worship services. In our churches these instruments sing out praise as avid hobbyists play them, reading directly from piano charts and hymnals. How ironic that the impetus for the current C sax rebirth (the `universal` key of C) is exactly why the bathtub gin crowd popularized it in the Roaring Twenties! Renewed demand is steadily pushing the value of these instruments up from the depressed levels reached during decades of obsolescence. This trend toward increasing value will likely continue until C-Melodies reach parity with the other sax types of their era. While it`s true that sax makers pumped out huge numbers of C-Melodies during the 1920`s sax craze, it`s also true that none have been built since that time. Relative to the world`s total saxophone population the C tuned saxophones in existence today probably out number only rare types such as the bass sax. Thus the notion that a tremendous over supply of these instruments will always keep their value depressed is exposed as just another myth ...

Bold players are discovering that by matching modern mouthpieces to C-Melodies these instruments produce a clear, lovely vintage sax sound, voiced enticingly between alto and tenor. Specialty mouthpieces built to play with tenor reeds are available, but most players don`t bother. We more commonly see alto ot tenor mouthpieces matched to these horns, depending on the sound character a player desires to achieve. With tube length close to the tenor and bore taper more like the alto, the C-Melody sounds at once like both -- and neither. Low tones have the tenor`s depth and projection, while the upper register floats lyrically, with somewhat of an alto character. The choice of mouthpiece can push the sound more in either direction, per the player`s preferences. It takes a bit of effort to properly match alto or tenor mouthpieces to your C-Melody, but the rewards are definitely worthwhile. My personal preference is a tenor mouthpiece, but then I`m a tenor player by nature. If you start with a short shank model tenor mouthpiece in a medium sized chamber and tip opening in the 0.080" range you will be in the ball park. The vintage short shank Selmer Jazz model in C** or D facing seems especially well suited to all the brands of C-Melody saxes. With this mouthpiece the soft, mellow sounds we relish in smooth jazz saxophone work seem to flow naturally from your C-Melody. When in good playing condition, and with a well suited modern mouthpiece, C-Melodies have a fabulous sound and perform as well technically as any of the more vaunted 1920`s saxophones. In the hands of skilled players the rap C-Melodies take for sounding `stuffy` is completely unwarranted -- another myth exposed ...

Part of the criticism for poor play and sound these instruments have suffered during their long `Dark Age` is because few thought them worth the cost of putting into top playing condition. Many have the cheapest replacement pads, often without resonators, and little attention paid to regular maintenance. Under such conditions no saxophone can be at its best. If you find a good, restorable C-Melody carcass it is definitely worth the cost of a quality restoration. You can have some fun and save a bit on resto cost if you are willing to do the polish work on the plating yourself. Probably 90% of these instruments are finished in lovely satin silver plate with brightly polished silver keywork & gold bell wash. They are truly breathtaking pieces after a thorough hand polishing. A few satin silver examples were produced with brightly polished gold plated keys. They are at least as rare as the satin gold models with bright gold keywork. C-Melodies in either of these premium finishes are true treasures -- if you can find them. There were also models simply finished in polished bare brass (no lacquer), and in utilitarian nickel plating. Oddly, even though the bare brass and nickel plate finishes were the economy models of the era, both are fairly rare. All the models play well when properly set up, though the different finishes impart subtle tonal nuances. Regardless of which model C- melody you acquire, after restoration your saxophone will be both a musical treasure and a sound investment ...

Sorry about advertising my forum. I just wanted to get the word out. What I mean is have you ever heard of anyone ever playing a c melody in a concert band? Also, have you ever heard of any music being written speicfically for c melody, like you know how in a song you play in band there`s an alto part, and a tenor, bari etc.., has there ever been a song written that had a C melody part?

The reason I`m asking this is because my band director said he would let me play my C melody in band if I could find a song that called for it.

I`ve never seen anything written specifically for CMel... And why shouldn`t he advertise? There are no rules against it.

I have an old Selmr C-melody, and besides the fact that the keywork is a little slow (can`t play as fast, the keys are bulkier) it is an amazing instrument. Sterling silver (no gold bell wash though), it is a real beauty. however, before I bought it I had asked my band director if he had any music for it, and he said not to waste the money and buy a better alto or something. So, I play it in choir. lot easier than transposing all the time. so, um... I don`t know any pieces, and I can`t play it in band. maybe youre community band has some pieces.

that was pretty interesting to read

(the history thing about C-melodies)

Selmer made C-Mels?? Now who would have thunk that? Anyways, about the bulky keys and such... take it to a tech that`s good with key customizations (Mark Kasten at Weiner`s is awesome if you`re on LI). Trust me, they can make the action buttery smooth. C-mels are cool, I might even buy a conn cheap on eBay and have it fixed up (they crop up on eBay all the time by guys who have no idea what they`re talking about for like $50)

oh ya, ebay actually has loads of vintage horns. they had an F-mezzo sax on once.. oh I lusted after that, but it sold for about $4500 US

ya, findding a crappy c-melody from ebay and getting it overhauled would be cool. my repairman and former teacher had two C-meldoies laying in his shop for parts, but when I mentioned wanting a c-melody, he overhauled it... it was amazing. thing was black as tar from tarnish, and now it;s the prettiest sax I have. It took him 72 hours to polish, and he sold the thing to me for $900 including the mouthpiece.

Wow, this thread grew pretty quickly. Yes, BGM, I have actually heard of the tenor in C, and the mezzo-soprano in F. I also know that the bass saxophone in C was the first ever made. I`m not completely clueless, I just never heard the tenor in C referred to as a "C-melody" sax. I thought David was referring to the music when he said that. You know, a C-melody in concert band? Think about it, it makes logical sense.

Thomas

on SOTW, someone said that most pre-forties marches had c mel parts.

You know what, David, you were right. I checked out your forum, and it is cool. I have already registered to it. By all means, advertise your forum - it was rude of me to say that.