these days everyone seems to think that blink 182, sum 41 and new found glory in punk. i really don`t get that. i hate, hate, hate that conformest crap. it all sounds,looks and acts alike. you could buy a sum 41 cd and think you were listening to n.f.g. and it`s not ever punk. i love real punk rock. bands like the sex pistols and the clash and the ramones and the dead boys and the misfits are punk, now this drive thru record crap. and now a days people think they`re punks because they buy a goldfinder album. it just ticks me off. so what do you think?

i completley agree, its really kinda sad. ppl cant just go and listen 2 music now if they like it, it hasta be "in" or "cool" what is cool anyway? its botherd me for a while but i try not 2 let it bug me anymore. if ppl want 2 go on listening 2 that crap they can, i`m not gonna try and stop them so yea. i weep for the future, but hey, what r u gonna do , am i right?

and your completley right, punk is a state of mind. nowadays alot of ppl thinks its like a "fashion"

i agree somewhat with you guys, true punk is dead, now we have a softer version which i don`t think is all that bad, i mean it`s just music, i just can`t stand sellouts that makes me mad the most

In my opinion all rock together has died in the last couple years. No one except for garage bands that don`t make any money are really into it. All these bands like New Found Glory are doing it totaly for the money and nothing else. I still like them and all but they have the wrong concept, let`s go back to about the 70`s and look at the band Rush-They did it totaly for the fun of it. No one it that band cared if they made a penny. The second drummer is the best example, He is the best drummer that I have ever heard, he was completely suronded by bells and gongs and all sorts of stuff and he used all of them, but still would be spinnin or throwing his sticks and just having fun.

I agree, punk died when sid vicious topped himself, we`ll never get punk bands as good as the Clash again. Although i disagree with ringo about rock alltogether being dead. It`s nowhere near as good as it used to be but there are a fewe good bands around (although there are not many):

The Kings Of Leon
The White Stripes
Super Furry Animals
Radiohead (best band in the world at the moment)
The Coral
The Mars Volta

Heh... Now that I`ve seen what bands have been listed as "punk" I am no longer sure of what the criteria for being a punk rock band are...
But I agree, Radiohead is, at the moment, one of the best bands around... Incredible sound, vocals... It`s one of the few bands that can cause emotions in me.
But Muse is still a lot better, if somewhat different.
The White Stripes are pretty good. Good vocals, good guitar and good bass... And although it`s not the sort of music you can listen to at any time of the day, it still stands out among the myriads of the so-called `rock` bands.

I really don`t see how Muse can be seen as better then Radiohead, especially as their first album was a bit of a Radiohead rip-off and none of Muse`s albums are anywhere near the quality of either Ok Computer or The Bends.

Oh and by the way, the White Stripes
do not have a good bass, for the simple reason that they have no bass at all, as there are only 2 members of the Stripes....

First of all, ok, so I screwed up with the bass part :p I wasn`t paying much attention while writing that post.
Second...
Ugh, I`ve read so many users` comments on how Muse is similar to Radiohead...
About a year back I knew very little about Radiohead, so I decided to give them a try.
At the moment I have OK Computer, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief and a 2 CD collection of their greatest songs.
As you can see, I listen to them a lot, and to tell you the truth I still can`t see the similarities that others do... And the only song where Yorke`s voice is akin to Bellamy`s is the acoustic version of "Creep"...

If you like Radiohead, listen to The Bends, it`s their best album in my oppinion, from there perhaps, you`d be able to see the similarities with Muse, especially their first album. Also Kid A is a really great album if you give it a chance, it`s a grower, Pablo Honey, Radiohead`s first album is nothing special, more for the completeists in my oppinion.

Oh come on you`ve got to move with the times, I mean sure, it`s different to what you think of as punk, but that doesn`t mean it`s wrong. Maybe you`re wrong in your definition of punk?

Punk was never just about the music, It was about the attitude, about that something extra. Joe Strummer had it Joey Ramone had it, and both Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious had it. These days, noone has `it`. Bands like Good Charlotte and Blink 182 just cant compare. The nearest we have to punk nowadays is The Libertines (well, their album was produced by Mick Jones) but their more indie then punk, and it looks like their finished anyway. But their album is a damn good one.

Yeah dude, i`m with you. Blink 182 and sum 41 isn`t punk its pop. I hate that . I like, like The ramones, Dead kennedys, Nofx, Anti Flag and the other good stuff.

i don`t care, i like blink 182, yellowcard, and all that , you guys can all argue about what punk is and what bands are <snip> but really, it`s just wasting your time.

i like sum 41... call me a posuer, whatever.